Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

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What the political elites fail to grasp is that Trump was not an anomaly, just the obvious and inevitable last resort of a desperate populous looking for the one thing neither established political party could offer. Change. They crossed the line first. They squeezed them, they hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand.

They understand that Trump is a sex pest, an adulterer, a tax fraud, a serial liar, a man utterly unopposed to turning the weapons of state against his own people, a racist, a dimwit, a clueless oaf who has casually overseen the deaths of 200,00 Americans, but the people see what the real problem is: False liberal outrage and the detached braying of the Democratic party.

Here is a 120 page multivariate analysis by Dr. Karl Lieben-Hoefenstieglensmatter which pulls back the veil on elite virtue performance politics and it's declining impact on the population, a damning read for Bidenistas and the Warrenstapo who don't understand why condemning people who disagree with them as racist has led them to this point, and not the systemic corruption, lobbying, electoral gerrymandering and intense targeted campaigns of misinformation from its own media and Russian cyber-criminals.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/karl-lieben-hoefenstieglensmatter-moral-bankruptcy-of-the-virtue-signalling-left-vote-trump/

Mate, come off it.

I was warning about dark money and gerrymandering and the threat Trump back when you were longing to be American so you could vote for him.

Do you think anybody who seriously reads this useless, repetitive echo chamber where the same five people have had the same Pavlovian stimulus responses to curated twitter outrage every single day for the past four years actually needs to be reminded at this point? Yes, there is gerrymandering and corruption. What are you going to do, point out that this is bad for the nine-millionth time on a football forum? The only way it ends is to persuade people who did not vote for you last time that they should vote for you this time instead. And here we are, as @Walken reminds us, still too pious to allow even Joe Rogan listeners to join our team. If you don't think cultural snobbery affects electoral outcomes then you should try reading more than a tweet at a time. All you are really doing here is demonstrating how thin your commitment is to actually defeating Trumpism - which is not going anywhere, regardless of what happens in November.

 

[Walken]

Mate, come off it.

I was warning about dark money and gerrymandering and the threat Trump back when you were longing to be American so you could vote for him.

Do you think anybody who seriously reads this useless, repetitive echo chamber where the same five people have had the same Pavlovian stimulus responses to curated twitter outrage every single day for the past four years actually needs to be reminded at this point? Yes, there is gerrymandering and corruption. What are you going to do, point out that this is bad for the nine-millionth time on a football forum? The only way it ends is to persuade people who did not vote for you last time that they should vote for you this time instead. And here we are, as @Walken reminds us, still too pious to allow even Joe Rogan listeners to join our team. If you don't think cultural snobbery affects electoral outcomes then you should try reading more than a tweet at a time. All you are really doing here is demonstrating how thin your commitment is to actually defeating Trumpism - which is not going anywhere, regardless of what happens in November.

I feel I must interject to remind people I am not running for the position of president of the united states, nor do I have much to do with the democratic parties campaign policy or research department, nor am I eligible to vote in America. My loathing of rogan comes from his blatant lack of responsibility especially when pushing right wing agendas, his eye rolling obsession with the so-called 'anti-pc, free speech' brigade and that I find his fanbase to be a bunch of boring kopites who probably have posters of the original marlboro man in their 'man-caves'. I really don't feel my critique of rogans lazy gaslighting and incitement for violence runs parallel to the USA electing a racist and I'm pretty sure I posted it in a different thread.

 

[Prevenger17]

Mate, come off it.

I was warning about dark money and gerrymandering and the threat Trump back when you were longing to be American so you could vote for him.

Do you think anybody who seriously reads this useless, repetitive echo chamber where the same five people have had the same Pavlovian stimulus responses to curated twitter outrage every single day for the past four years actually needs to be reminded at this point? Yes, there is gerrymandering and corruption. What are you going to do, point out that this is bad for the nine-millionth time on a football forum? The only way it ends is to persuade people who did not vote for you last time that they should vote for you this time instead. And here we are, as @Walken reminds us, still too pious to allow even Joe Rogan listeners to join our team. If you don't think cultural snobbery affects electoral outcomes then you should try reading more than a tweet at a time. All you are really doing here is demonstrating how thin your commitment is to actually defeating Trumpism - which is not going anywhere, regardless of what happens in November.

Just having a laugh tbh. But I don't think GrandOldTeam will be moving the needle of electoral sentiment in America, which leaves me free to laugh at anyone who would even try and intellectualise a dangerous man with a child's mental disposition who is currently steamrolling over American democracy. I think you are completely overplaying the "PC leftist brigade, can't say anything anymore!" aspect of this at the expense of countless other factors which form about 99% of the problem and I am saying so.

The irony of you lecturing people on piety is incredibly rich coming from a man who posts sweeping, almost laughably over-generalised assertions as stone cold fact in blocks of text that would make catcherintherye weep. If you can't have a little laugh at yourself or realise that none of us here have anything to actually contribute to this election, just post another hilarious "orange man bad" meme and be on your way.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Just having a laugh tbh. But I don't think GrandOldTeam will be moving the needle of electoral sentiment in America, which leaves me free to laugh at anyone who would even try and intellectualise a dangerous man with a child's mental disposition who is currently steamrolling over American democracy. I think you are completely overplaying the "PC leftist brigade, can't say anything anymore!" aspect of this at the expense of countless other factors which form about 99% of the problem and I am saying so.

The irony of you lecturing people on piety is incredibly rich coming from a man who posts sweeping, almost laughably over-generalised assertions as stone cold fact in blocks of text that would make catcherintherye weep. If you can't have a little laugh at yourself or realise that none of us here have anything to actually contribute to this election, just post another hilarious "orange man bad" meme and be on your way.

Good post, except for the bold bit.

@BlueTX is out there hustling votes like a hero.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

See you
Raise you

String bet.

 

[Prevenger17]

Good post, except for the bold bit.

@BlueTX is out there hustling votes like a hero.

Also, no offence was meant to my good buddy @catcherintherye, whose blocks of text are always very readable and interesting

 

[catcherintherye]

Also, no offence was meant to my good buddy @catcherintherye, whose blocks of text are always very readable and interesting

No offence taken mate!

 

[catcherintherye]

Strange of you to get so flustered and defensive when I point it out then, isn't it?

It's almost as if the two political parties both represent only the rich...

I remember (many years ago) when I studied politics at school, my teacher said to me the America system was essentially like the two wings of conservatism debating. While there have been efforts of progressives to attach themselve to the Democrats, that is the big picture. The Democrats, unlike Labour were not and never have been at it's core a party for the workers.

Corruption and cronyism is rife in America. You go everywhere and you see the inequality, harshness and brutality of the system everywhere you look. Everyone is to a degree out for themselves. So it doesn't really surprise me.

What does amaze me though, is that people think Trump, a billionaire who has shady deals all over the place, with various individuals is some how the cure to this. That he can drain the swamp. The man was reared in that swamp, made a success of it and wants to expand it. Thats what I do find odd about things, that international money man Donald Trump, with hotels, properties, business interests and commitments all over the world is going to be the antidote to the problem is perplexing.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

What does amaze me though, is that people think Trump, a billionaire who has shady deals all over the place, with various individuals is some how the cure to this. That he can drain the swamp. The man was reared in that swamp, made a success of it and wants to expand it. Thats what I do find odd about things, that international money man Donald Trump, with hotels, properties, business interests and commitments all over the world is going to be the antidote to the problem is perplexing.

This is without a doubt one of the weirdest parts of Trump's political rise. It's similar to the weirdness here with some people thinking much the same of the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. The idea that any of these individuals will "look out for the little guy" is just bizarre.

Sadly the actual reason for their support is frequently much darker.

 

[catcherintherye]

There are only two parties in the United States, and both of them are for the rich. One is for the genteel rich and the other is for the vulgar.

Why would poor people vote for a party of the rich?

Most of them don't vote at all, knowing full well that it's pointless: 'nothing will fundamentally change'.

But those who do tend to choose the party that bothers paying phoney lip service to their few remaining sources of pride, over the one that lectures them, scorns them, humiliates them and sniggers at them for not knowing how to comport themselves in the presence of their betters.

Forgive if I'm wrong (and Im not trying to get at you, it's an interesting debate) but I'm pretty sure that Trumps vote when it was broken down was disproportionately wealthier in 2016. A lot of solidly middle class people voted for him.

We tend to attribute racist, sexist etc ideas to the poorest in society. Quite often it's actually relatively well off, respectable people who have them.

The education one is a decent point. To a degree the process of studentification (communal living building some degree of shared experience and getting people a feeling of collective solidarity) alongside being a bit brighter and having more access to materials tends to teach most people about the limitations of neo-liberal capitalism that has been undertaken by Trump and his ilk for 40 years has made some difference. However I think it's much more a correlation not causation argument. Young people tend to be more left/liberal than previous generations (for a multitude of reasons) and young people tend to go to university at ever increasing numbers. So vis a vie you get charts like the above. I suspect the university aspect masks underlying trends.

 

[catcherintherye]

This is without a doubt one of the weirdest parts of Trump's political rise. It's similar to the weirdness here with some people thinking much the same of the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. The idea that any of these individuals will "look out for the little guy" is just bizarre.

Sadly the actual reason for their support is frequently much darker.

They will the void where the left fails unfortunately.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Forgive if I'm wrong (and Im not trying to get at you, it's an interesting debate) but I'm pretty sure that Trumps vote when it was broken down was disproportionately wealthier in 2016. A lot of solidly middle class people voted for him.

We tend to attribute racist, sexist etc ideas to the poorest in society. Quite often it's actually relatively well off, respectable people who have them.

The education one is a decent point. To a degree the process of studentification (communal living building some degree of shared experience and getting people a feeling of collective solidarity) alongside being a bit brighter and having more access to materials tends to teach most people about the limitations of neo-liberal capitalism that has been undertaken by Trump and his ilk for 40 years has made some difference. However I think it's much more a correlation not causation argument. Young people tend to be more left/liberal than previous generations (for a multitude of reasons) and young people tend to go to university at ever increasing numbers. So vis a vie you get charts like the above. I suspect the university aspect masks underlying trends.

Trump's support was a bit all over the map economically. It's quite well aligned with education, but whiteness (and especially white-maleness) was also a significant indicator of a Trump voter.

 

[catcherintherye]

Trump's support was a bit all over the map economically. It's quite well aligned with education, but whiteness (and especially white-maleness) was also a significant indicator of a Trump voter.

Ah ok, I haven't got a breakdown in front of me (I will have a look) but I seem to remember people being surprised how it wasn't really the poorest who voted for him.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Strange of you to get so flustered and defensive when I point it out then, isn't it?

It's almost as if the two political parties both represent only the rich...

Let's say for the sake of argument this is correct.

One of those parties is led by Donald Trump.

So that makes it worse. End of.

The argument that all politics is bad, so who cares, is growing tiresome.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Trump's support was a bit all over the map economically. It's quite well aligned with education, but whiteness (and especially white-maleness) was also a significant indicator of a Trump voter.

THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS

Trump's republicanism has NOTHING to do with the economy. NOTHING. Those of us living in American SEE THIS EVERY DAY

Sorry for the all caps. I really hate that.

I"d love to go back to politics as usual where both parties pillow fight over policies that really aren't going to change anything for anyone. In order to do that, Trump needs to be destroyed. And I'm terrified of where we will be in 4 years if this circus continues