Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

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I agree with some of this, but honestly if there isn’t enough evidence at this point to say that a large % of the white right wing vote in the US is racist I don’t know how you could ever describe them otherwise.

Also agree and there is instances when Irish travellers in Dublin when occupying the same pub or restaurant as me tend to kick off or push the boundaries of civil conduct I’d say what feels like majority of the time. But I’d never say the majority of them are this way and definitely wouldn’t say all of them.
 
Also agree and there is instances when Irish travellers in Dublin when occupying the same pub or restaurant as me tend to kick off or push the boundaries of civil conduct I’d say what feels like majority of the time. But I’d never say the majority of them are this way and definitely wouldn’t say all of them.

TBF that’s not the best analogy; we are after all talking about societies that spent 100 years actively persecuting African-Americans up to and including murders, lynchings and so on.

All 70 million aren’t racist but there is a huge issue for them that they looked at the candidate favoured by racists, religious nuts like Copeland and the rest and thought they’d be fine to vote for him.
 
TBF that’s not the best analogy; we are after all talking about societies that spent 100 years actively persecuting African-Americans up to and including murders, lynchings and so on.

All 70 million aren’t racist but there is a huge issue for them that they looked at the candidate favoured by racists, religious nuts like Copeland and the rest and thought they’d be fine to vote for him.
Look they all have a lot not going for them they subscribe to the Republican Party. Leaving race out of it that’s the major a problem in itself. Be it race, misinformation, uninformation, and the lies and right wing nature of the Dems. All working class people are socialists even the Republican Party subscribers they just don’t know it. If you offer them better pay equality health care etc etc they would take it in a heart beat.
 
TBF that’s not the best analogy; we are after all talking about societies that spent 100 years actively persecuting African-Americans up to and including murders, lynchings and so on.

All 70 million aren’t racist but there is a huge issue for them that they looked at the candidate favoured by racists, religious nuts like Copeland and the rest and thought they’d be fine to vote for him.
In my experience, racism is endemic in the states and many people are far more comfortable espousing their views than they are over here.
 
Look they all have a lot not going for them they subscribe to the Republican Party. Leaving race out of it that’s the major a problem in itself. Be it race, misinformation, uninformation, and the lies and right wing nature of the Dems. All working class people are socialists even the Republican Party subscribers they just don’t know it. If you offer them better pay equality health care etc etc they would take it in a heart beat.

Would they? I agree they’d be better off but the visceral reaction they’ve been coached into having, where even Biden is a communist, would suggest they wouldn’t take it.
 
In my experience, racism is endemic in the states and many people are far more comfortable espousing their views than they are over here.
Perhaps the worse problem is systemic racism, the ways in which American institutions have grown up with racial bias built into them since assumptions of white supremacy were a given through most of our history. When racism is structural it can carry on indefinitely even in the absence of people with explicitly racist beliefs. And that's a tough problem because whereas people commonly believe that equal rights should apply to all, they tend to conceive it as if we already have a level playing field, and many will object to proposals that no, the playing field isn't level and making it so will require considerable reform.

In some ways, structural, systemic racism makes the claim "I'm not racist" kind of irrelevant. You don't have to be racist yourself to reinforce racism.
 
Would they? I agree they’d be better off but the visceral reaction they’ve been coached into having, where even Biden is a communist, would suggest they wouldn’t take it.
Yeah they are brainwashed they vote against they’re interest so yeah maybe they would nock them things off the table if offered.

But theoretically they would snatch it if there wasn’t misinformation and brain washing afoot.
 
Yeah they are brainwashed they vote against they’re interest so yeah maybe they would nock them things off the table if offered.

But theoretically they would snatch it if there wasn’t misinformation and brain washing afoot.
A piece of the puzzle you’re missing is the massive group of people who would never, ever consider voting for anyone other than Republican candidates because they are anti-abortion. Even though they may not realize it, most Christians actively vote for themselves and their children to have poorer, shorter, less healthy lives in the name of saving unborn fetuses.
 
Perhaps the worse problem is systemic racism, the ways in which American institutions have grown up with racial bias built into them since assumptions of white supremacy were a given through most of our history. When racism is structural it can carry on indefinitely even in the absence of people with explicitly racist beliefs. And that's a tough problem because whereas people commonly believe that equal rights should apply to all, they tend to conceive it as if we already have a level playing field, and many will object to proposals that no, the playing field isn't level and making it so will require considerable reform.

In some ways, structural, systemic racism makes the claim "I'm not racist" kind of irrelevant. You don't have to be racist yourself to reinforce racism.
"The Social Justice view is that the existing social systems and structures have grown up under a social order that privileges certain races over others, and there is no way the influence of that bias could not have manifested in significant ways (see also, structuralism and poststructuralism). These ways (and no other possibilities) are then blamed for the totality of achievement gaps and other sociocultural disparities and named “racism” (see also, institutional racism, anti-blackness, and cultural racism). While there is a kernel of validity in these claims, the totality of the Theory is very unlikely to be right. In fact, it seems to get the matter exactly backwards.

A key point to register here is that, while the usual definition of racism is partially recognized within Critical Social Justice, under its purview, “racism” means something different, or at least something more—and more vague. Racism has been re-defined as a system. It’s not an action or a disposition. It’s a mysterious system that is immanent (ubiquitous, ordinary, permanent, but just beneath the surface – see also, mask). Further, being racist is a property sometimes explicitly connected to white people (see also, whiteness) and, in some renderings, one that white people cannot possibly escape. Even being actively antiracist begins with recognizing and engaging one’s own inherent complicity in racist systems, following Theorists Robin DiAngelo and Barbara Applebaum, for instance. For DiAngelo, the goal isn’t to cease being racist, which is impossible; it is to “be less white.”

“Racism,” then, is a Trojan-Horse term because it is a powerfully morally salient term—one of the most morally salient in contemporary society—and yet it doesn’t mean what most people think it means. It is very different to be associated with some vague system of power than it is to intentionally engage in bigoted attitudes and actions against someone based upon facts about their racial, ethnic, or national origin. The Critical Social Justice meaning of “racism,” and what mandates follow from it, are thus able to be institutionalized in many cases because people are allowed to believe that “racism” means the common-parlance definition and, perhaps, something a bit more complicated to do with “systems of racism.” This is to all appearances a deliberate trick being played by advocates of Critical Social Justice on a good-intentioned populace, given the phrasing “systems of racism” (when racism is defined to mean a system in the first place)."

I think the advocates of this position would find your limitation of its relevance to America to be problematic.

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-racism-systemic/
 
A key point to register here is that, while the usual definition of racism is partially recognized within Critical Social Justice, under its purview, “racism” means something different, or at least something more—and more vague. Racism has been re-defined as a system. It’s not an action or a disposition. It’s a mysterious system that is immanent (ubiquitous, ordinary, permanent, but just beneath the surface – see also, mask). Further, being racist is a property sometimes explicitly connected to white people (see also, whiteness) and, in some renderings, one that white people cannot possibly escape. Even being actively antiracist begins with recognizing and engaging one’s own inherent complicity in racist systems, following Theorists Robin DiAngelo and Barbara Applebaum, for instance. For DiAngelo, the goal isn’t to cease being racist, which is impossible; it is to “be less white.”
I'm not speaking in terms of Critical Race Theory, by which racism is a purposeful element of current social structures as a means of maintaining a traditional white supremacy, but in basic historical terms, by which the structural forms of one era proceed into a later era largely unrevised even as they increasingly contradict current social mores.

I don't have a problem acknowledging that my race has conferred and continues to confer certain advantages upon me that aren't shared by my otherly-hued fellow citizens. I don't take my white privilege personally: it's there whether I'm for it or against it, and it doesn't make me think "I'm a racist" as a quasi-social type, but that "I'm complicit in racism" by virtue of the society in which I live. I like to think that if people attended more to the ways in which systemic racism differs from personal racial bigotry, they wouldn't be so quick to feel like talk of white privilege is a personal attack synonymous with calling someone a racist, which is tantamount to calling someone a morally bankrupt person.
 
In my experience, racism is endemic in the states and many people are far more comfortable espousing their views than they are over here.
That comfort has grown quite rapidly since Trump became a president. He has given them a platform and the freedom to express racist views that were always there but that people were to timid to reveal. Now they feel the liberty to let their racist views out for everyone to see because there is no repercussions or condemnations from our top official, he actually promotes it, as much as he does conspiracy theories.
 
That comfort has grown quite rapidly since Trump became a president. He has given them a platform and the freedom to express racist views that were always there but that people were to timid to reveal. Now they feel the liberty to let their racist views out for everyone to see because there is no repercussions or condemnations from our top official, he actually promotes it, as much as he does conspiracy theories.
I haven’t visited the states since he’s been in. Have to say was pretty shocking even then. Can imagine people feeling more confident to say certain things now. I think we have the same here with Brexit
 
I haven’t visited the states since he’s been in. Have to say was pretty shocking even then. Can imagine people feeling more confident to say certain things now. I think we have the same here with Brexit
have lived in this country for 27 years and I have encountered racism from the very first moment that I stepped in this country. However, what we are experiencing now days it is much worse than it has been in decades, it is a different magnitude that one would have never phantom. Instead of moving forward to overcome these prejudices, we are going backwards as a society.

I don't know enough about brexit but i thought this was a mandate more focused on economic changes than racial tensions
 
have lived in this country for 27 years and I have encountered racism from the very first moment that I stepped in this country. However, what we are experiencing now days it is much worse than it has been in decades, it is a different magnitude that one would have never phantom. Instead of moving forward to overcome these prejudices, we are going backwards as a society.

I don't know enough about brexit but i thought this was a mandate more focused on economic changes than racial tensions
It depends who you speak to, and the brexit lads on here will refute it, but for me and many others, Brexit was driven by an anti immigration, xenophobic agenda.
 
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