TN Toffee
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You make it sound like only the rural poor support him. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Here in my city it’s not uncommon to see Trump flags, signs, etc out in front of 500k suburban houses.
Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election
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But what you get, is wealthier people in poorer areas voted for Republicans and vice versa for Dems.
Here's the figures mate
2020 Presidential Election exit polls: share of votes by income U.S. 2020| Statista
According to exit polling in the 2020 Presidential Election in the United States, ** percent of surveyed voters making less than 50,000 U.S.
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I think the reality is, quite a lot of people are racist, and it's not really down to poverty. I don't even know how to react to it, it's almost more depressing really. Not that it's right, but if it was just down to poverty they would be more of an excuse for it.
Tennessee, yeah?
Well of course. Ruby red state. Dems won three counties.
But again, those counties... where Nashville and Memphis are; the city areas, urban, better career prospects and education, and Haywood that has a majority African-American population.
The pattern is clear and consistent.
But what you get, is wealthier people in poorer areas voted for Republicans and vice versa for Dems.
Here's the figures mate
2020 Presidential Election exit polls: share of votes by income U.S. 2020| Statista
According to exit polling in the 2020 Presidential Election in the United States, ** percent of surveyed voters making less than 50,000 U.S.
I think the reality is, quite a lot of people are racist, and it's not really down to poverty. I don't even know how to react to it, it's almost more depressing really. Not that it's right, but if it was just down to poverty they would be more of an excuse for it.
That happens here - you get Tory voters in less well off areas who are approaching middle class. Again, that's not necessarily racism - that's concerns about the economy too which, again, was a much bigger "hot topic" for Republican voters than Democratic; four times moreso in fact.
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Bit like here...But what you get, is wealthier people in poorer areas voted for Republicans and vice versa for Dems.
Here's the figures mate
2020 Presidential Election exit polls: share of votes by income U.S. 2020| Statista
According to exit polling in the 2020 Presidential Election in the United States, ** percent of surveyed voters making less than 50,000 U.S.
I think the reality is, quite a lot of people are racist, and it's not really down to poverty. I don't even know how to react to it, it's almost more depressing really. Not that it's right, but if it was just down to poverty they would be more of an excuse for it.
Most inner city parts of the states I’ve visited are absolute hell holes.
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Why are you so insistent that racism isn't nearly as determining a factor in American politics as Americans may believe?
I can understand thinking of classism as the mother of all -isms (even though sexism holds that distinction) and that racism is merely classism in camouflage (which I think it was at its origin but that it's long, long since taken on a life of its own), but you have to be what they used to call a vulgar Marxist to imply that culture has so little input in a nation's mass politics.
Biggest flips from Republican to Democrat has been suburban developmental areas where living standards and demographics have shifted.
Thats the takeaway lesson here. You improve lives, and people vote Dem.
That's a great point and the key takeaway really. Rural and urban quite similar, indeed Trump may have done better, but Biden won the suburbs.
I have to say, I think some of Trumps misogyny and racism will have alienated a lot of women I those areas. Essentially they are less racist and more concerned about sexism than he, and I suspect a lot in the GOP realise.
So how do you improve the lives of these people if they a) constantly vote against what is genuinely in their best interests and b) subsequently constantly vote for the one party that refuses to make their lives better?
You have an idyllic notion of what to do except that they cannot and will not vote for a Democrat and Republicans have no inkling to make them any better.
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Yet the state’s flagship university is in Knoxville, where I live, a county that was Trump +15. Williamson County, just south of Nashville, is one of the wealthiest counties in the entire nation. Trump was +26 there. It’s not just the uneducated rural poor that support Trump.
Ooosht I think that’s too much of a generalisation there.
Yeah there was that Republican poster on here boasting that he had more cash since Trump came in.
Because I don't think people go out and vote a certain way due to racism. Or those that do are a vanishingly small minority. I think people go out and vote for something that tangibly benefits themselves rather than against something.
Is racism in the US real and, well, huge? Of course it is. You'd have to be a simpleton not to realise that. But I don't think you can do much by just saying to people "stop being racist eh?" - you have to tackle the underpinning causes of it.
Here's a simple, undeniable fact - it might feel simplistic, but it's just simply true; if racism was the single biggest, massive, underpinning electoral issue and the reason a load of people vote Republican, Obama never wins the presidency. Sorry but he just doesn't. But he did, because he was simply trusted more on key issues that people cared about more than his skin colour.
For me, it really is all about living standards and class divide. The wealthy Trump support just care about tax breaks, like any Republican - the other stuff with him is all secondary. The poor Trump support simply care about their own lives. There's a subset of racists who'll vote for him, of course there is, but their numbers as a determining factor being that high? Sorry, just don't buy it, same as I don't buy "everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist" - they're simply not; they just voted the same way as the racists.
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