Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

[bluerobert]

The conspiracy thread is in the ale house.

But heck ill give it a whirl.

Jack Dorsey did nothing but lick up to Donald Trump to try curry favor with him.

Zuckerberg was no different.

If you had ever met or spent time with them (or any other "big tech" leaders), the one thing you would understand the only thing that drives them is power and money.

Both Dorsey and Zuckerberg donate to politicians on both sides of the aisle.

Them appearing to lean to one side is not because of politics but because of their users and trends. Without Joe Public and with continued bad press their share prices would drop. Especially when they have to attend terribly arranged hearings to answer dumb questions.

In any case as it was pointed out by many observant users of both of their platforms that in their terms and conditions they mention banning and deleting your content if its offensive. Something needed company was actually enforcing until last year.

One last thing. Can you clarify? Are you calling the right leaning Americans on here racists and bigots? You seem to suggest that is the case in the awful generalization you have just made.

Good points. I will say that the policy maker at Facebook is/was a guy called Joel David Kaplan who was an aide to the Bush administration for 8 years. He was brought in to make the decisions Zuckerberg didn’t want to make so he couldn’t be viewed as personally having an agenda. A lot of the decisions around not censoring came about as you rightly say due to the drive for growth. Kaplan did favour right learning groups, they tried to bring in another guy to offset this, I can’t remember his name and he brought in some system of trying to stop the tide of alt right groups and Zuckerberg basically shut it down in the name of growth. Instead he banned groups like the Proud boys and those on the left they deemed as anarchists however the groups on the left they shut down were basically ousting the far right groups spreading hate.

i think you might find this 2 parter interesting mate, it explains it far more eloquently then I can

Part One: Mark Zuckerberg Should Be On Trial For Crimes Against Humanity

Podcast Episode · Behind the Bastards · 22 September 2020 · 1h 12m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Not giving him a pardon will allow that...so it's going to require the incoming president to resist giving one. That's involvement.

Don't think the President can pardon from State crimes anyway.

There's zero chance of Biden giving Trump a pardon.
There's about a 90% chance of Trump giving himself one.

 

[Blue 1]

Don't think the President can pardon from State crimes anyway.

There's zero chance of Biden giving Trump a pardon.
There's about a 90% chance of Trump giving himself one.

How does he pardon himself for something he's not yet been convicted of? Can he do that?

 

[davek]

How does he pardon himself for something he's not yet been convicted of? Can he do that?

Pence would do it.

 

[davek]

Don't think the President can pardon from State crimes anyway.

There's zero chance of Biden giving Trump a pardon.
There's about a 90% chance of Trump giving himself one.

Ford did it for Nixon. At US level.

 

[Blue 1]

Pence would do it.

Ah, makes more sense.

Trump isn't going to be convicted of anything before 20th Jan though, is he?

Not trying to be obtuse, just can't figure how this "pardoning himself" is even considered a possibility.

 

[TheSecondComing]

ThEyrE jUsT aS bAd As EaCh OtHeR

You're a tad condescending aren't you?

You come off as a expletive I can't use on here.

I didn't say that but if you're blinded by some strange obsession with the democrat party that doesn't even remotely look like our Labour party even in it's current centrist state then well, carry on but don't come on here and try and make me look stupid.

 

[Prevenger17]

I didn't say that but if you're blinded by some strange obsession with the democrat party that doesn't even remotely look like our Labour party even in it's current centrist state then well, carry on but don't come on here and try and make me look stupid

No idea where you got any of this tbh. The "both sides" nonsense is irrelevant, because the most urgent problem America now faces is that there is tens of millions of people who are openly not accepting the results of a fair election, egged on by the current president and a cabal of spineless politicians. And "Big Tech" have been more than willing to facilitate these outright lies which are very literally a threat to the future of American democracy. I imagine you were one of the "BiDeN iS JuSt aNoThEr OlD SeNiLe SeX PeSt" brigade aswell. Anyway, thanks for your incredible insights and contributions, which have amounted to "everything is bad".

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

How does he pardon himself for something he's not yet been convicted of? Can he do that?

Pence would do it.

Ah, makes more sense.

Trump isn't going to be convicted of anything before 20th Jan though, is he?

Not trying to be obtuse, just can't figure how this "pardoning himself" is even considered a possibility.

Depressingly, he can pardon himself of any and all crimes before being prosecuted or convicted.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Ford did it for Nixon. At US level.

Ford was a fellow Republican

 

[TheSecondComing]

No idea where you got any of this tbh. The "both sides" nonsense is irrelevant, because the most urgent problem America now faces is that there is tens of millions of people who are openly not accepting the results of a fair election, egged on by the current president and a cabal of spineless politicians. And "Big Tech" have been more than willing to facilitate these outright lies which are very literally a threat to the future of American democracy. I imagine you were one of the "BiDeN iS JuSt aNoThEr OlD SeNiLe SeX PeSt" brigade aswell. Anyway, thanks for your incredible insights and contributions, which have amounted to "everything is bad".

Brilliant work.

 

[Blue 1]

Depressingly, he can pardon himself of any and all crimes before being prosecuted or convicted.

What the....?

That's utterly absurd.

Only at Federal level, right?

 

[davek]

Ah, makes more sense.

Trump isn't going to be convicted of anything before 20th Jan though, is he?

Not trying to be obtuse, just can't figure how this "pardoning himself" is even considered a possibility.

He could get a full and unconditional pardon from resigning and VP Pence becomes president and pardons him. That'd be for crimes against the US. Individual law suits at state level could be successful. In theory.

 

[Prevenger17]

Brilliant work.

 

[davek]

Ford was a fellow Republican

I wasn't arguing the point that Biden would pardon Trump. I was stating that not offering that 'reconciliation' route out of this mess would be 'involvement' by Biden. (Others were saying Biden shouldn't get embroiled in going after Trump).