Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

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Well they did try to impeach him which was a bold move.

Here is a good video explaining the risks



You pretty much need a slam dunk case and Biden has to act like he is not involved. With Democrats losing ground I'm congress and elections in 2022, you have to thread water to make sure you do it right.

I think that the New York case makes it possible to get Trump in jail while maintaining neutrality

America is too messed up for Biden/democrats to go after Trump and hold he and his enablers accountable. Should they in a perfect world? Sure. But living in reality, it's just not something that makes much sense because it'll divide the country further. I mean over 70 million people voted for him, as outrageous as that is. It's all about "sides". Long gone are the days of Nixon when most normal people knew he had to go to move forward
 
This is why this country is going to fail. Actions HAVE to have consequences. When one party constantly breaks the law and tries to ruin democracy and the other side just wants to forget about it? Hundreds of BILLIONS are missing from the COVID relief bill. The lying cheating, stealing, asking a hostile nation to help interfere in OUR elections, the absolute degradation of the highest office in the country. If NOTHING Trump and his lackeys have done have any consequence then we are completely done and we might as well just give the country over to the Republicans like they want
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I generally agree it shouldn't be this way

But the fact that this is really Biden's only option speaks volumes and makes me a pessimist going forward - the reasons leading to Trump becoming POTUS haven't gone away, and if anything have only become stronger.

Pretty sad really
 
So NOBODY else is reading in to it as "the Trump administration" because that's entirely how I am reading it. As in "we shouldn't go after ANY of the POS in there like DeJoy, Barr, etc".

I just want them all to go to hell already.
Put it this way, I'd love it if they did go after them but I can understand why they might not.
Any money says Barr has legally covered his ass just like with the Iran contra thing.
DeJoy, again, probably hard to convict him of anything (at least with USPS)
There's probably tonnes of campaign finance violations all over the place but I'm not sure I want the Biden administration spending 4 years trying to un ravel the bundle of cables behind the telly. Just unplug it and hope they don't plug it in again :)
 
You realize the article you linked is about a year old and Cedric Richmond soon addressed this very issue?


Hooray for The Guardian!! (whatever.)

I'm sure his public comments, letters, and hearings are not going to dramatically change the petrochemical industry in Southern Louisiana anymore than the barely existent Democrats of West Virginia screaming about coal would move the clean Earth needle there. Glad he said it, though. Meanwhile, we should be dismissive of his work in other areas because, well, he's a-movin' on up so surely he must be a sell-out.

Environmental purity tests aren't going to play well with the steel-toed boots and pickup driving, non-college-educated folk the Democrats are supposedly ignoring, are they?
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Woah.

Do you not think Joe Biden could have chosen a better candidate to serve as his new Director of White House Public Engagement than a man whose own constituents complained that ‘it was like he was trying to brush us off' when they tried to get him to address the fact seven of America's ten most polluted districts are under his jurisdiction?

This shouldn't be so difficult....

If criticism of a man with his record feels like a personal insult to you then something has gone very wrong along the way.

On Tuesday, Politico reported that Biden is appointing US Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) to lead the White House Office of Public Engagement, where he is “expected to serve as a liaison with the business community and climate change activists.”

During his ten years in Congress, Richmond has received roughly $341,000 from donors in the oil and gas industry — the fifth-highest total among House Democrats, according to previous reporting by Sludge. That includes corporate political action committee donations of $50,000 from Entergy, an electric and natural gas utility; $40,000 from ExxonMobil; and $10,000 apiece from oil companies Chevron, Phillips 66, and Valero Energy.

Richmond has raked in that money while representing a congressional district that is home to seven of the ten most air-polluted census tracts in the country.

Richmond has repeatedly broken with his party on major climate and environmental votes. During the climate crisis that has battered his home state of Louisiana, Richmond has joined with Republicans to vote to increase fossil fuel exports and promote pipeline development. He also voted against Democratic legislation to place pollution limits on fracking — and he voted for GOP legislation to limit the Obama administration’s authority to more stringently regulate the practice.


They aren't even pretending anymore.
 
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Woah.

Do you not think Joe Biden could have chosen a better candidate to serve as his new Director of White House Public Engagement than a man whose own constituents complained that ‘it was like he was trying to brush us off' when they tried to get him to address the fact seven of America's ten most polluted districts are under his jurisdiction?

This shouldn't be so difficult....

If criticism of a man with his record feels like a personal insult to you then something has gone very wrong along the way.

On Tuesday, Politico reported that Biden is appointing US Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) to lead the White House Office of Public Engagement, where he is “expected to serve as a liaison with the business community and climate change activists.”

During his ten years in Congress, Richmond has received roughly $341,000 from donors in the oil and gas industry — the fifth-highest total among House Democrats, according to previous reporting by Sludge. That includes corporate political action committee donations of $50,000 from Entergy, an electric and natural gas utility; $40,000 from ExxonMobil; and $10,000 apiece from oil companies Chevron, Phillips 66, and Valero Energy.

Richmond has raked in that money while representing a congressional district that is home to seven of the ten most air-polluted census tracts in the country.

Richmond has repeatedly broken with his party on major climate and environmental votes. During the climate crisis that has battered his home state of Louisiana, Richmond has joined with Republicans to vote to increase fossil fuel exports and promote pipeline development. He also voted against Democratic legislation to place pollution limits on fracking — and he voted for GOP legislation to limit the Obama administration’s authority to more stringently regulate the practice.


They aren't even pretending anymore.
Could have chosen a "better candidate"? I suppose so. Of course, that game can be played all day but we both know it's folly.

There's nothing difficult here nor was there any offense taken. At least not by me. You?

Again, how do Dems appeal to the hard-hat wearing, country music listening, high school educated crowd they already don't give a toss about by pushing big environmental legislation in Southern Louisiana that will be spun by big oil as "job killing"? Square that for me, Abe.
 
Much as I'd love him to, you're probably right.
I hope NY state get him and put him away for ages tho.
And if he starts mulling a 2024 run, set the feds after him!
Not giving him a pardon will allow that...so it's going to require the incoming president to resist giving one. That's involvement.
 
Shrill and defensive as usual, but you are missing the point.

"Distressed at the plight of the poor resulting from the Winter's severity, Queen Marie Antoinette saved three hundred thousand francs from her personal budget and turned this sum over to her ladies-in-waiting, the parish priests of Paris, and charitable organizations for distribution among the needy"

And the peasants famously replied "Cheers, Marie!" and harmony was restored to the land.

How do you think it feels to read that tweet, undoubtedly shared on some facebook group or whatever, after you've spent a quarter of your weekly budget on gas to queue idly with thousands of other cars because you can no longer feed your kids without someone else's charity? And then the algorithm links to Nancy Pelosi showing off her mansion and suggesting you give her favourite $12 ice cream a try.

Do you think they immediately googled Pam Keith to get the backstory, or to compare Pelosi's voting record with Kevin McCarthy's? Are they sitting there thinking, 'You know what's wrong with America these days? The lack of civility in our political discourse"

The Democrats are the party of the professional elite. They are the party for people with college degrees, and the socialisation and manners that accompany them. It wasn't always this way - West Virginia was the most Democrat state going until Clinton finished that off for good - but it is now, and everybody except for people with college degrees knows it. It's a bit like that old joke: 'A frog asks a fish "how's the water today" and the fish says 'what the hell is water?'

The Democrats are so thoroughly immersed in their own self-righteousness that they are genuinely baffled - they sincerely cannot comprehend - how anyone could fail to love them. "They must all be racists", they soothe themselves, over cute electoral college fantasy maps. "We'd win every state if only 60% of the population spontaneously disappeared". It is all but impossible these days for them to empathise with people who don't spend every waking hour retweeting Trump outrages, and Russiagate hysteria which quietly but invariably turns out not to be true . Virtually impossible for them to see themselves the way those outside their own tribe see them. Even synapse strains, and usually the 'But the Republicans!!!/you morons are voting against your own interests!!!' circuit-breaker kicks in first.

At this point, both parties' primary function is to protect the status quo and manage America's lurching regression to the gilded age. Absurd as it is, the symbiotic culture war matters more than anything else in American politics because, very much by design, it is the primary realm in which the duopoly opts to perform their symbolic competition. They have in effect agreed to divvy up the spoils. The Democrats' positive vision is neo-puritarism; salvation from original sin - but only to a select few who can master the arcane rituals and incantations required for penance and absolution. For everyone else, they are Bill Cosby for white people, hectoring them for their cultural pathologies and blaming them for their plight. If only you'd pull your trousers up, stop listening to that dreadful gangsta rap Joe Rogan, and learn to code!

Voters without college degrees, who do not spend their spare time fretting about Lev Parnas or googling Nancy Pelosi's voting record to win arguments on the internet, would genuinely struggle to list a single way in which their lives will materially change after Joe Biden takes over. What they do know is that while Democrats think they are dullard barbarian heathens who are responsible for what is wrong in America, the Republicans do not. It is not a difficult choice.

Once the Democrats' transition to College Party is complete - and without a pandemic, a depression and the most reviled President since Harding to campaign against - they will lose every time. I suspect many Party elders probably feel relieved - after all, the modern Democratic Party functions more as a fundraising racket than a political organisation, and panic and hysteria reels in the checks like nothing else. With real power comes responsibilities which and expectations which they have no intention of fulfilling. A Republican senate means the Democrats can resume normal operations: approving Mitch McConnell's judges and reaching across the aisle to people who they accused of fascism not ten minutes ago, performing the comfortable rites of 'moderate, pragmatic bipartisan consensus' on, say, gutting and privatising social security (like Obama would have done with Boehner if the Tea Party hadn't stopped them) - until the next electoral cycle kicks in and we immediately return to edge of the totalitarian precipice.

You try way too hard to sound smart. Did you really think starting off a post on an internet fan site for football team with an abstruse quote from some book about Marie Antoinette would be useful?

I didn't miss the point. You posted a picture of a line for a food bank. Then you made an imputation about Trump voters being racist simpletons when in fact the tweet was about Trump voters, with the implication being that Trump continually undercuts food stamps for poor people. I simply pointed out that Democrats have a better track record on protecting the interests of the poor, on average, than Republicans. And Nancy Pelosi's freezer has about as much to do with it as the gold-leaf in Trump's penthouse. And then above, you responded that I missed the point because I was supposed to step inside the mind of some fictitious Trump voter who has a facebook page and a weaponized algorithm that causes even more disdain--if that's possible--for the elitist Democrats. And this response was replete with your typical long-winded, gee-ain't-I-clever text that isn't supported by good data.

You way overstate the divide between urban-rural and elites-poor and way overstate how many non-college educated voted for Trump versus Biden. You have ignored the black vote, of which Biden got 87% of the votes and of which some 40-60% do not have any college education. I'm not sure you can speak for black for black voters when you say "Voters without college degrees...would genuinely struggle to list a single way in which their lives will materially change after Joe Biden takes over." For this non-college educated segment, their voting record suggests it might.

And according to exit polls, Biden got 48% of non-college degreed voters to Trump's 50%. This doesn't square up with your "Democrats think they are dullard barbarian heathens who are responsible for what is wrong in America" assessment, complete with a bizarrely decontextualized link to Kendi's book whose target audience, as I'm sure you know, is not the average under-educated West Virginian, but in fact it is you, me, and other white privileged educated folks.

And obviously, West Virginia has gone Red over the last two decades, but Biden did better than Clinton in every country in WV, so I'm not sure that this type of directionality squares with your doom-and-gloom scenario of Democrats increasingly alienating rural areas. One would expect Biden to do worse if your prediction about trends was correct. Biden did better than Trump in shifting votes in more WV counties. This is to say Biden in 2020 out-performed Clinton in 2016 in more WV counties than Trump out-performed himself in 2016 versus 2020--Trump lost votes in many WV counties from 2016 to 2020. So again, I'm not so sure you can say either in WV or nationally that "they will lose every time." And your response above actually perpetuates a common elitist notion that there are no progressives out in the boonies--they're all just dumb simpletons who hate Democrats and love Republicans. This is just false.

As an intellectual topic, it's fine if you want to pursue all that is wrong with Democrats and their problems with voters who don't have college degrees. But I don't think this is as big of an issue as you claim. What would be more intellectually interesting would be an examination as to why Republican pundits love to play victim in claiming that the left is demonizing them as racists (similar to your claims), while at the same time remaining silent--like very palpable, crickets-chirping silent--on the the most destructive issue facing the Republican party: the easily documented hijacking of their party by huge numbers of outright racists. Or is this issue too complex for you?
 
This is why this country is going to fail. Actions HAVE to have consequences. When one party constantly breaks the law and tries to ruin democracy and the other side just wants to forget about it? Hundreds of BILLIONS are missing from the COVID relief bill. The lying cheating, stealing, asking a hostile nation to help interfere in OUR elections, the absolute degradation of the highest office in the country. If NOTHING Trump and his lackeys have done have any consequence then we are completely done and we might as well just give the country over to the Republicans like they want
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Prosecuting your predecessor for how they conducted the job is what happens in banana republics. I agree that Biden's position is not justice, but this is a case where the cure may be worse than the disease.

Note that Biden is saying he doesn't want to be the one to do it. He's not saying anything about what New York can get Trump for. I'd be surprised if he doesn't tread lightly when it comes to the IRS problems.
 
A pardon won’t cover state charges
Ok, but I dont see how Biden can keep out of it. I understand how he'd say he dosn't want to get snarled up with dealing with that lunatic for 4 years, and no doubt he'll have an eye on pacifying Senate Republicans. But if he isn't confronted he can use his influence to create waves and go again in 2024...or one of his family can. And Biden has said in the past he wont stand in the way of the Justice Department from pursuing their investigations on Trump, and Harris has been adamant they'll go after him.
 
Prosecuting your predecessor for how they conducted the job is what happens in banana republics. I agree that Biden's position is not justice, but this is a case where the cure may be worse than the disease.

Note that Biden is saying he doesn't want to be the one to do it. He's not saying anything about what New York can get Trump for. I'd be surprised if he doesn't tread lightly when it comes to the IRS problems.
Prosecuting your predecessor and his ilk for the hundreds of laws that have broken isn't something that should be looked at as political target. It's what SHOULD happen in a functioning democracy.

I've said it plainly, America will not survive another Trump if they don't take action against everything he's done against the country.
 
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