Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

[zzr45]

If you can't see how much difference it makes for the world then I literally can't help you. Just shows how little you actually know. Also what a bad WUM you are.

It’s the first step in the right direction for the US. It doesn’t change the fact we have huge issues in the UK with poverty, social mobility and a looming economic crisis.

 

[RAFUH]

i'm not crying about it i just don't think it should be allowed.

Lots of states are still counting ballots as they always do in every election. They are ballots cast by Election Day.

 

[ashwuk76]

It’s the first step in the right direction for the US. It doesn’t change the fact we have huge issues in the UK with poverty, social mobility and a looming economic crisis.

Its the first step in the right direction for all of us. You say looming economic crisis... who is president can directly affect that. Although you probably think it makes no difference at all.

 

[Drumblue]

Trump winning again would be catastrophic for any global environmental action

 

[zzr45]

It's a start. Trump was willfully causing vast amount of problems in regard to backing out of the WHO, climate change and Iranian nuclear deals. You have to be unhinged not to think of this as a good thing for the entire world.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a start. But the outpouring of joy, especially from some on this side of the Atlantic, seems to overplay the significance at the present time. It all seems a bit too happy ending for me, rather than the start of a long slog.

 

[ashwuk76]

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a start. But the outpouring of joy, especially from some on this side of the Atlantic, seems to overplay the significance at the present time. It all seems a bit too happy ending for me, rather than the start of a long slog.

You love Trump we get it. But a lot of us hated him with a passion and didn't like his misogyny and racist ways. So yes we are relived someone like that who had the most powerful job in the world has been removed.

 

[Death]

Mai daise. I left for half an hour. This place does not need death to stoke the fires. Sweet jesus.

 

[TN Toffee]

Lots of states are still counting ballots as they always do in every election. They are ballots cast by Election Day.

Exactly. This happens every election, it’s just usually not such a closely run affair that so many individual state counts end up under the microscope like this. Pretty commonplace even in normal times for states to take a week or two to certify the actual final results. The massive amount of mail in ballots being cast due to COVID, coupled with Trump intentionally hamstringing the postal service further slowed things down.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a start. But the outpouring of joy, especially from some on this side of the Atlantic, seems to overplay the significance at the present time. It all seems a bit too happy ending for me, rather than the start of a long slog.

I forgot to add the way he is riding roughshod over the democratic process would be enough to feel relieved for any other democratic country.

No political system is perfect and we will probably never get a utopia but the way he was dividing the nation and inciting violence was the furthest away from it.

 

[verreauxi]

Liberalism Loses With Biden​

"Even without the long-term effects of the COVID recession, the American economy was on an unsustainable path toward dividing the country into a megarich elite; a shockingly vulnerable, parlous professional class; and masses of low-skill service workers and completely abandoned populations without educational credentials or proximity to “job creators” in the cities. With the economic effects of COVID, establishment liberalism is headed quickly for a crisis—if not in two years, almost certainly in four. Biden would be a one-term president because of his age, if nothing else. But Biden will in fact have to contend with everything else. Four years from now, the Democrats will be looking for another nominee. And if Kamala Harris was lackluster in the 2020 primaries, she won’t be any stronger when she’s tied to a failed administration in 2024.

In fact, the greatest danger that Trumpism faces is that liberalism’s collapse will be so swift that a fraudulent populist—some establishment Republican simply emoting—will be able to take advantage of it. But during this time in opposition, if Biden becomes president, Trump Republicans will be able to hone their program as well as their pitch. Many of the best people in the Trump administration had little previous experience in government. Only now do they know what is required to implement a Trump-like agenda over the objections of the permanent bureaucracy and disloyal Republican hacks. They have the time to direct their studies to address the obstacles they encountered while in power—the better to remove those obstacles expeditiously next time.

The 2020 election showed that even in the midst of a recession and a pandemic, even after four years of relentless Russian collusion hype, four years of demonizing the president and his supporters as racists, even after impeachment and with the liabilities as well as the strengths of the president’s personality, the Trump message was capable of mobilizing a record number of voters for the GOP and making gains among blacks, Latinos, and Asians. Under the worst possible conditions, Trump and Trumpism performed well—much better than the pollsters and the pundits predicted. Think of what would have happened if not for COVID and the recession. Donald Trump would not be troubled by protracted vote counts; he would have been re-elected in a landslide. If Republicans learn from this and follow the path Trump has shown them, without stumbling over the historically unprecedented roadblocks that were in his way, they will go into 2022 and 2024 facing a divided, depleted Democratic Party. Joe Biden—who will start on his ninth decade under the sky before the next presidential election—is not the man to rejuvenate liberalism. He is rather its last gasp."

Gee, how surprising, another conservative piece that is anti-Biden and an painting overblown picture of Biden squeaking by (by the second largest margin of victory since 2000). Except that the pre-Covid polls showed the same advantage for BIden as post-covid. And these claims of Trump gaining the Black vote are often repeated but are pretty small, being a jump from 6% to 8% among black men, and seemingly overlooking the huge amount of work/canvasing and voting by black women for Biden. And the gains among the "Latino" vote are due to a mix of things: Cubans disliking Democrats (recall Janet Reno and Elian Gonzalez) and Biden not being a good candidate for them (whereas Obama's was the highest on record). So no, the Democrats are not as in dire shape as is claimed (though Biden running in 2024 would NOT be a good move for Dems). These data-free opinion pieces from conservative outlets like "The American Conservative" feel a bit desperate and weird.

 

[zzr45]

Its the first step in the right direction for all of us. You say looming economic crisis... who is president can directly affect that. Although you probably think it makes no difference at all.

In the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t. The last Financial crash wasn’t triggered by a Republican being in office, rather by shady practices of mortgage lenders. Other things have far more significant implications for people outside of the US.

You love Trump we get it. But a lot of us hated him with a passion and didn't like his misogyny and racist ways. So yes we are relived someone like that who had the most powerful job in the world has been removed.

And this is exactly what I’m talking about. Because I’m not whooping and hollering about how much I hate Trump I obviously love him.

 

[ashwuk76]

In the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t. The last Financial crash wasn’t triggered by a Republican being in office, rather by shady practices of mortgage lenders. Other things have far more significant implications for people outside of the US.


And this is exactly what I’m talking about. Because I’m not whooping and hollering about how much I hate Trump I obviously love him.

Of course it matters. Whoever is president dictates what sort of trade deal we get in a post brexit world. So yes makes a difference.

Well if you don't love Trump why are you ragging on people who are happy Trump has gone? Proper weird you are. If people want to be happy Trump is gone, that's their right. Same as its your right not to be happy or even not celebrate.

 

[verreauxi]

The decision whether or not to pardon him could be the hardest one the new administration faces. He and his inner circle of course all belong in orange jumpsuits but there is an argument that letting him fade in the ether would be for the greater good. If he goes through a trial he'll still be in the media every day calling his lunatic supporters to arms, creating unbelievable headlines and over-shadowing the president as he tries to get the real work done. If they let him just isolate himself in Mar-a-Lago, shutting his despicable mouth for the rest of his life, his cult of personality will slowly be forgotten.

It's going to be so hard for Biden that one.

No pardon. No way. If Trump has broken the law as president then its prosecution for him and Biden should just stay out of it. Chances are he won't be pursued vigorously, but Biden should not pardon Trump, and he won't. He won't even lose sleep thinking about whether to do so. He just won't pardon him.

 

[trueblue84]

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a start. But the outpouring of joy, especially from some on this side of the Atlantic, seems to overplay the significance at the present time. It all seems a bit too happy ending for me, rather than the start of a long slog.

The outpouring of joy is because trump was a tit and he's been booted out. Boris Johnson is a tit and the joy stems from the feeling that he's next.

 

[Sassy Colombian]

It’s the first step in the right direction for the US. It doesn’t change the fact we have huge issues in the UK with poverty, social mobility and a looming economic crisis.

Wow. It seems you actually have the mental capacity to make sound arguments with other people except with this WUM. I guess a smart color woman must be intimidating to you lol