The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )
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I should be dyed in the wool Labour.
For a plethora of reasons, I utterly despise the incompetent fuddlers.
For a plethora of reasons, I utterly despise the incompetent fuddlers.
davek
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That looks like a non-starter just in terms of its cost-benefit alone. People avoiding GPs in order to save from being charged would inevitably result in thousands being left to develop undiagnosed major illnesses, which in turn would require massive investment later to try and put right.
The examples of dental care and social care aren't that good in terms of pointing the way forward on this.
davek
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Totally refuted by Sturgeon and the French consul.
I hope the Telegraph are facing legal action now.
Tory dirty tricks at work.
Mrk
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This is what I thought when I first heard about it, but if you think about it, it doesn't make any sense - the Tories want the SNP to wipe Labour out in Scotland, so leaking stories that the SNP secretly back the Tories would only increase Labour support in Scotland, surely?
The establishment have always been up to no good to get the Tories elected.
Zinoviev letter was dirty trick by MI6 | Politics | The Guardian
Zinoviev letter was dirty trick by MI6 | Politics | The Guardian
davek
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No. It matters not one bit for the Tories if Scottish votes go to the LP or SNP: they'll both be lined up in opposition to the Tory-marashalled alliance in the (likely) event of a hung parliament. Initial findings post tv debate in England however (CH4 news last night) suggest that in marginals Sturgeon's perfortmance took the edge off fears of what a LP-SNP coalition might look like and may swing a few seats Labour's way in England.
I think the Tories moved quickly to try and tarnish that image.
Mrk
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I don't think you could possibly be more wrong - Labour have no chance of having a majority if they lose most of their seats to the SNP in Scotland, so that is in the Tories best interest for a start.
A SNP/Labour alliance would be extremely volatile because 1) There's a lot of bad blood between Labour and the SNP and 2) The SNP have stood on an anti-austerity platform, whereas Labour have signed up to at least 30bn worth of savings. This again is what the Tories would prefer to a Labour majority, because it would be chaos and it almost certainly wouldn't last a full 5 year term.
The only people who benefit from the Telegraph article are Labour - you only have to watch TV to see why. Ed Miliband has been plastered across TV all morning using the story to attack the SNP. The Tories however haven't commented on it.
Without question. Very, very cynical by the Telegraph and a real eye opener on the standards of British media when you can print something like that without even trying to corroborate it by approaching the subject of the article for their view.
Disgusting, desperate stuff from the right that even the most ardent Telegraph reader or Tory should be ashamed of.
Labour would struggle to a majority even if they took seats off the SNP. If the SNP win big, what it would mean would be a supply and confidence arrangement with Labour instead of a coalition, and cut out the necessity of involving multiple parties to get a majority in parliament.
It's not ideal for Labour, but a wipeout in Scotland bizarrely ensures that they gain support from swinging voters down south who will realise the situation and vote Labour, knowing Cameron has no chance of getting back in power thanks to the SNP.
You're right, it'll be extremely volatile, but it's an "anything but the Tories" mindset.
davek
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They (Labour) already know they wont get a majority. The only party capable of it are the Tories (if enough people buy into their narrative of an economy growing that could be derailed by a Labour-led government), but even the most recent opinion poll last night has the Tories trailing Labour by two points, so that's unrealistic also.
Make no mistake about it: Labour and the SNP would do a deal if it pushed Labour over the line. Maybe not a firm coalition but some confidence and supply arrangement based on a few sweeteners for the Scots.
If Miliband is happy about that non-news overnight regarding Sturgeon then it's only because an alliance with the SNP post election with more and not less Scottish Labour seats in the bag makes his dealings with the nationalists that much easier.
At this present moment in time a LP/SNP alliance looks the likely winner of this election...though as stated above, that can change quickly over the next 5 weeks if the drip drip drip of Tory propaganda in the media about not wrecking 'economic recovery' has an effect. Then the likelihood becomes a Tory/LD alliance.
davek
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They've made a humungous arse of themeslves. The French rubbished this from the very top and the issue (I hope) wont rest there. The Telegraph need to be given pariah status for the rest of this campaign, they've already proven how unfit they are.
Mrk
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All of what you've just said is exactly what the Tories would prefer to a majority Labour government. There's a reason the Tories spent time spinning how well Nicola Sturgeon did after the debate.
As I said, the only people using the Telegraph story are Labour. I don't see why the Tories would gift Labour a chance to regain support in Scotland.
Mrk
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Obviously it is very unlikely that Labour will get a majority, but every extra Labour MP makes it more likely, and if there's one thing the Tories don't want, it's a Labour majority government.
Again, that's without question - but a confidence and supply arrangement would not last 5 years. It'll take Labour a few years to build up their cash reserves for another election, but who can afford a snap election later on this year or next year? The Tories.
Miliband wants a majority - he knows he probably won't get one, but anything that will win him more support in Scotland is in his best interests. The Telegraph article gives him a platform to win back Labour voters in Scotland and I can't think of any reason why the Tories would purposely give him that opportunity.
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