The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Tubey]

Wonder why that might be...

Because the educational system doesn't prioritise science, the same system penalises students heavily in terms of cost for wanting to pursue a career in medicine and the lower level jobs are underpaid.

I fail to see how privatising the NHS would solve any of those problems. They'd pay the nurses the same - because the NHS act in the same way a private company would do in relation to pay. What are they supposed to do, pay every nurse £30 an hour to contract them?

 

[Tubey]

And they have said that?

Of course not - as I said, it'd be political suicide. You'll never see a party leader say "yeah, if I'm elected, I'm going to start the slow withdrawal of central funding and sell off chunks of the NHS to private hands" - Britain would go berserk.

 

[roydo]

Of course not - as I said, it'd be political suicide. You'll never see a party leader say "yeah, if I'm elected, I'm going to start the slow withdrawal of central funding and sell off chunks of the NHS to private hands" - Britain would go berserk.

So why keep on about the Tories wanting to privatise it then?

There is a chasm of a difference between the NHS working with private companies, and the NHS being a private company.

 

[Brennan]

Because the educational system doesn't prioritise science, the same system penalises students heavily in terms of cost for wanting to pursue a career in medicine and the lower level jobs are underpaid.

I fail to see how privatising the NHS would solve any of those problems. They'd pay the nurses the same - because the NHS act in the same way a private company would do in relation to pay. What are they supposed to do, pay every nurse £30 an hour to contract them?

Don't be daft. Read the paragraph I added above.

 

[Brennan]

So why keep on about the Tories wanting to privatise it then?

There is a chasm of a difference between the NHS working with private companies, and the NHS being a private company.

Not according to this thread.

 

[roydo]

Not according to this thread.

Quite.

 

[Clint Planet]

So why keep on about the Tories wanting to privatise it then?

There is a chasm of a difference between the NHS working with private companies, and the NHS being a private company.

Perhaps, but I note neither you nor Bruce commented on Tubey's Circle Health article. It is precisely that sort of behaviour by private companies that makes the general public so untrusting of them when it comes to the Health Service.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Perhaps, but I note neither you nor Bruce commented on Tubey's Circle Health article. It is precisely that sort of behaviour by private companies that makes the general public so untrusting of them when it comes to the Health Service.

Andy Burnham seems like a good guy. I'm sure he thought it was the best option for what was a hugely struggling hospital.

 

[roydo]

Perhaps, but I note neither you nor Bruce commented on Tubey's Circle Health article. It is precisely that sort of behaviour by private companies that makes the general public so untrusting of them when it comes to the Health Service.

You are right that I havnt read every single post mate. But my view is that certain political parties use the "Tories will privatise the NHS" line, and it is just not true. Now they may well be more open to a greater use of the private sector, but that is miles away from the NHS being privatised.

Tubey pretty well agreed with that.

And I am not really making a party point either. It happens with all of them, but this NHS one seems to have become accepted wisdom by some.

 

[Seanjd]

You are right that I havnt read every single post mate. But my view is that certain political parties use the "Tories will privatise the NHS" line, and it is just not true. Now they may well be more open to a greater use of the private sector, but that is miles away from the NHS being privatised.

Tubey pretty well agreed with that.

And I am not really making a party point either. It happens with all of them, but this NHS one seems to have become accepted wisdom by some.

By privatisation, I take that to mean either selling ownership to private firms or outsourcing services to private firms, which is what the NHS is doing at the moment.

 

[Brennan]

Andy Burnham seems like a good guy. I'm sure he thought it was the best option for what was a hugely struggling hospital.

But wait. Andy Burnham isn't a Tory

 

[Seanjd]

But wait. Andy Burnham isn't a Tory

Did Burnham have something to do with Circle?

 

[chewee]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...la-Sturgeon-secretly-backs-David-Cameron.html

A few on here suggested this months ago, I said at the time I couldn't see the SNP keeping Cameron in number 10. Maybe I was wrong.

 

[Mrk]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...la-Sturgeon-secretly-backs-David-Cameron.html

A few on here suggested this months ago, I said at the time I couldn't see the SNP keeping Cameron in number 10. Maybe I was wrong.

Makes sense, the SNP have nothing to gain by propping up a fragile Labour government - the longer the Tories are in power, the more popular the SNP will become.

 

[chewee]

Makes sense, the SNP have nothing to gain by propping up a fragile Labour government - the longer the Tories are in power, the more popular the SNP will become.

I disagree, if the SNP have the chance to remove Cameron from office and elect not to that could be toxic for them.