Summer transfer window.

Simon Buttle said:
Given that Iraola is being linked with the job there I could see a move for Delap as Iraola will want someone a bit more mobile imo, I could even see him getting a tune out of Jackson. Whoever we bring in we simply must increase the supply line to them otherwise it's a pointless waste of time.
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Jackson would be a much better option for us if he was available imo. Would almost definitely want European football though.

Agree whoever the striker is we crucially need to be creating far more chances and being generally less predictable on the ball. Two quality full backs need to come in first and foremost, if we can't sort out those positions everything else will be a waste of time.
 
preposterousvelios said:
Jackson would be a much better option for us if he was available imo. Would almost definitely want European football though.

Agree whoever the striker is we crucially need to be creating far more chances and being generally less predictable on the ball. Two quality full backs need to come in first and foremost, if we can't sort out those positions everything else will be a waste of time.
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He'll be on mega-wages and he's at least a foot too short for Moyes anyway.
 
Neiler said:
Whose making this point though - i didn't?

I said the administration and manager aren't aligned in terms of recruitment - that's played out in what i posted above in terms of the players we have signed and their lack of mins and influence on games and results - the point im making is the tranfer strategy of the club and what the manager feels he needs now are evidently two different things and its led to waste.

Im not particularly bothered if its Moyes calling the shots or the committee and i doubt its that black and white - but i want whatever players we sign to have an influence on games and results and that's clearly not been the case with most of who we invested in last summer and we aren't a club who can afford to do that IMO.

That alignment needs sorting, before we do the same again heading into a new window.
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Because you are doing this;

Neiler said:
While I’m not really portioning blame at the transfer committee or the manager - whatever has gone on - both clearly aren’t aligned.
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By creating an illusion of doubt, you are.

Moyes is part of, and the main part of "the transfer committee". This isnt a head coach scenario. Only the club owner who actually pays the money will have a bigger say than the manager.

Under Ancelotti, we had players coming in because of Marcel Brands - Godrey, Doucoure - players the manager admitted he hadnt heard of.

We don't have that/a DOF anymore - Moyes decides who comes in, Moyes decides who plays. There's your alignment.

He gets the plaudits, and the criticism. Not the guy with the spreadsheet who is suggesting a player.

If you want to do that, lets not credit Moyes ever with any signing, because there would be scouting/recruitment input on every transfer he's ever made.

If you want to defend Moyes and criticise background recruitment staff, the valid argument would be they never got the players at the top of his list - like Liam Delap.
 
windymiller said:
He'll be on mega-wages and he's at least a foot too short for Moyes anyway.
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He's on 100kpw at Chelsea, I would defo pay that tbf. Thought it would be more if anything. Genuinely not sure you can get a quality centre forward these days without paying pretty mad wages.

You're right about Moyes though. He will be prioritising physical profile for that position, and probably the rest of the signings we make as well if his words after the game last weekend are anything to go by.

KDH and Ndiaye offer significant threat behind the striker, I would much rather see us go for someone who can actually play a bit and create goals for others as well as obviously being able to finish.
 
preposterousvelios said:
He's on 100kpw at Chelsea, I would defo pay that tbf. Thought it would be more if anything. Genuinely not sure you can get a quality centre forward these days without paying pretty mad wages.

You're right about Moyes though. He will be prioritising physical profile for that position, and probably the rest of the signings we make as well if his words after the game last weekend are anything to go by.

KDH and Ndiaye offer significant threat behind the striker, I would much rather see us go for someone who can actually play a bit and create goals for others as well as obviously being able to finish.
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I thought it would be more than that too, tbf. Definitely not a Moyes player, however. He'll sign Delap and by this stage next season he'll likely be getting grief on here!
 
Newcastle are desperately looking for a striker this Summer as well and will be in for Jackson.

The best we can hope for is Moyes doesn’t go in for Wonkymarde, as he would fit the profile we are looking for. 6ft6, overrated, overpriced and useless. Has Everton written all over him.
 
preposterousvelios said:
He's on 100kpw at Chelsea, I would defo pay that tbf. Thought it would be more if anything. Genuinely not sure you can get a quality centre forward these days without paying pretty mad wages.

You're right about Moyes though. He will be prioritising physical profile for that position, and probably the rest of the signings we make as well if his words after the game last weekend are anything to go by.

KDH and Ndiaye offer significant threat behind the striker, I would much rather see us go for someone who can actually play a bit and create goals for others as well as obviously being able to finish.
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He’s also contracted till 2031 iirc so that’s a guaranteed £26m he’ll be expecting over his next contract wherever he goes.
So if he’s only offered 4 years it would be £125k per week assuming he doesn’t want a rise or more dough (or a sweetener to got to us without a decent Euro comp)
 
Swartzy said:
What are Chelsea paying him ?

I can see him heading Saudi/Turkey ( Or are Saudi now gradually pulling away from the big cash grabs )
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Probably a sheikh’s ransom.

Is the whole Saudi thing not over, given the regional instability over there now?

Side note: I heard from a Turkish friend this week who cancelled his trip to Turkey because of that - might be being a bit dramatic tho..
 
Nymzee said:
Why would they have thought this.
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Because it's pretty common practise. TFG wanted to give Moyes an 18 month deal and Moyes insisted on 2 and half. It would be the same as when we gave Big Sam an 18 month deal when everyone in the country knew he would be gone by the summer.

There's pretty much no other reasonable explanation to them signing players the manager didn't want and won't develop other than them assuming Moyes wouldn't see out his full contract
 
preposterousvelios said:
If Moyes is here in summer we will defo be signing Delap.

Pulled out all the stops last summer before he chose Chelsea and he won't have changed his mind about him after this season.

Would love to be wrong, just seems extremely likely to me if Chelsea are getting rid.
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If he has had anyone watching delap, he won't go near him, he's an Ipswich player and that's were he will end up if they get promoted.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Because you are doing this;



By creating an illusion of doubt, you are.

Moyes is part of, and the main part of "the transfer committee". This isnt a head coach scenario. Only the club owner who actually pays the money will have a bigger say than the manager.

Under Ancelotti, we had players coming in because of Marcel Brands - Godrey, Doucoure - players the manager admitted he hadnt heard of.

We don't have that/a DOF anymore - Moyes decides who comes in, Moyes decides who plays. There's your alignment.

He gets the plaudits, and the criticism. Not the guy with the spreadsheet who is suggesting a player.

If you want to do that, lets not credit Moyes ever with any signing, because there would be scouting/recruitment input on every transfer he's ever made.

If you want to defend Moyes and criticise background recruitment staff, the valid argument would be they never got the players at the top of his list - like Liam Delap.
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You are continuing to miss the point, committee or Moyes or both it irrelevant. Its not canonize or crucify the manager depending on your particular opinion.

I not creating the illusion of doubt, i am very clearly pointing to the evidence of doubt in what i am posting - he doesn't trust the likes of Rohl, Dibling, Charly and Aznou - id also suggest Barry if we had an alternative. Whether its him, the committee or both - i dont really care - the equation isnt working, because we have the guts of 80 -100 mill largely not getting, mins or influencing results.

If that's not a break down of a newer (if not complete) structure and worthy of scrutiny i dont know what is.

Thats the overall open question - because as a club we just cant afford to continue to that.

Away from the open question i was posing - my own opinion is he has sign off, but i think that is assent as opposed to the old scouting network he had in place - hes working with a different structure and as part of a team. I think there is a feed in of a club strategy of buying young, developing and increasing there vlaue - all the good things we say theoretically on here.

That's fine, apart from evidently as i posted above - the only two to get regular mins are 27-30 year old Grealsih and KDH - the younger players who cost a fortune - some feature in less then 15 % of our games.

So its not opinion - what we can draw as a trend from lived experience, is a disconnect between a big investment in youg talent on beghalf of the club and the manager clearly not trusting them - so whats the point of that?

Really we have only added Grealish ad KDH in a meaningful way to squad ....maybe Barry - but very little else despite the investment.

Im not sure how you can suggest its all aligned and part of a coherent plan, when we made this huge investment and the manager clearly doesn't trust the likes of Rohl, Dibling, Charly and Aznou.

He could be right..in four games we could be in Europe......but if we arent and the best part of 100 mill of investment has played less then 15% of our mins/games - then we have an issue that needs solving and not to be repeated IMO.

Whether that legging Moyes and doubling down on investing in Youth - because he doesn't trust them or changing tact and signing PL proven 27 - year olds - there needs to be a clear approach of what we do.

The investment we made for the mins those signings have made in piss poor.
 

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