Summer transfer window.

[GrandOldTeam]

You are continuing to miss the point, committee or Moyes or both it irrelevant. Its not canonize or crucify the manager depending on your particular opinion.

I not creating the illusion of doubt, i am very clearly pointing to the evidence of doubt in what i am posting - he doesn't trust the likes of Rohl, Dibling, Charly and Aznou - id also suggest Barry if we had an alternative. Whether its him, the committee or both - i dont really care - the equation isnt working, because we have the guts of 80 -100 mill largely not getting, mins or influencing results.

If that's not a break down of a newer (if not complete) structure and worthy of scrutiny i dont know what is.

Thats the overall open question - because as a club we just cant afford to continue to that.

Away from the open question i was posing - my own opinion is he has sign off, but i think that is assent as opposed to the old scouting network he had in place - hes working with a different structure and as part of a team. I think there is a feed in of a club strategy of buying young, developing and increasing there vlaue - all the good things we say theoretically on here.

That's fine, apart from evidently as i posted above - the only two to get regular mins are 27-30 year old Grealsih and KDH - the younger players who cost a fortune - some feature in less then 15 % of our games.

So its not opinion - what we can draw as a trend from lived experience, is a disconnect between a big investment in youg talent on beghalf of the club and the manager clearly not trusting them - so whats the point of that?

Really we have only added Grealish ad KDH in a meaningful way to squad ....maybe Barry - but very little else despite the investment.

Im not sure how you can suggest its all aligned and part of a coherent plan, when we made this huge investment and the manager clearly doesn't trust the likes of Rohl, Dibling, Charly and Aznou.

He could be right..in four games we could be in Europe......but if we arent and the best part of 100 mill of investment has played less then 15% of our mins/games - then we have an issue that needs solving and not to be repeated IMO.

Whether that legging Moyes and doubling down on investing in Youth - because he doesn't trust them or changing tact and signing PL proven 27 - year olds - there needs to be a clear approach of what we do.

The investment we made for the mins those signings have made in piss poor.

You are continually trying to differentiate between the manager and a transfer committee.

I'm saying they're the same thing.

If the recruitment had been good, this debate doesnt occur and people are just praising Moyes' recruitment.

 

[Neiler]

You are continually trying to differentiate between the manager and a transfer committee.

I'm saying they're the same thing.

If the recruitment had been good, this debate doesnt occur and people are just praising Moyes' recruitment.

I am questioning it for sure and that there is a disconnect in the structure - it’s an open question for the forum to share an opinion, it’s neither pro or against Moyes - we’ve enough threads on that.

I’m not really forcing an opinion or canvassing either - we’ve used the least amount of players of any team in the PL, yet spent the best part of 100 mill on Rohl, Aznou, Charly and Dibling who’ve been used in less then 15% of our games and who can’t get in an arses roar of the team because the manager doesn’t trust them. Its really only Grealish and KDH who have been meaningfully added to last years squad, the rest has been wasted. That’s not an opinion it’s currently a fact. I’m saying we can’t afford to keep doing that - who ever or are collectively at fault.

Something is breaking down from identifying, recruiting, signing - to playing these players within the transfer structure whether it’s Moyes, the committee or both - it’s needs sorting.

I don’t think you really think it’s all cohesive, aligned and working - it’s clearly not, wherever it’s breaking down.

 

[Neiler]

Moyes is cornering himself into a difficult position by not playing them. The owners aren’t going to get rid of 100 mill of players, and all the new hires they’ve just made who scouted them, just to keep Moyes happy. I don’t care who you are, it’s not a good look for a manager to spend 100 mill on players and then use all the previous managers players for the entire season.

If Gueye hadn’t have renewed on his deal, and McNeil had gone to Palace, they wouldn’t even be here but instead they’re ever presents.

What’s the strategy? Do they start next season as well because if the idea is to use Rohl Dibling Alcaraz then we’ve not used this season to transition to that in the slightest.

Personally think there is a power play at the club mate.

If we say get Europe, Moyes gets a new deal then I think part of that will be he will want a larger say on recruitment. We see more 27-30 year olds.

As you say if not the owners, might rightly say, why has my £100 mill gone on players who’ve barely played? Not unreasonably so.

I do feel it’s a bit of a cross roads, it’s either back Moyes or leg him.

We’re going to learn a lot about TFG this summer and their intentions.

 

[pedro789]

Personally think there is a power play at the club mate.

If we say get Europe, Moyes gets a new deal then I think part of that will be he will want a larger say on recruitment. We see more 27-39 year olds.

As you say if not the owners, might rightly say, why has my £100 mill gone on players who’ve barely played? Not unreasonably so.

I do feel it’s a bit of a cross roads, it’s either back Moyes or leg him.

We’re going to learn a lot about TFG this summer and their intentions.

I made same point the other day.
I think Moyes was ready to throw some of that £100m at McGinn, Soucek, Cash etc last year.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

Is it just me but I’m sure it’s been mentioned before in the past 14 transfer windows but I think we might need a new RB and a starting Striker…

Maybe a new LB too?

 

[Neiler]

I made same point the other day.
I think Moyes was ready to throw some of that £100m at McGinn, Soucek, Cash etc last year.

Paulhina to but he went to Spurs.

I guess the question I was asking overall, is it better to sign young players who play less then 15% o&our games or older players who will play - if we want to keep this manager

Theoretically, you say young players but what’s the point if you have a heap of them that can’t get near the team or played 15% of games during a European push.

Open question really!

 

[Nymzee]

Last Summer’s window was a bit of a mess whoever was in charge of it.

 

[Tin-Tin]

In todays game, it doesn't matter who the manager is, how big their reputation is or how much experience they have, they wont be given a lot of time if the team is struggling badly. Plus managers dont think about the future of the club, they are pre occupied with doing the best job at the time.

This is why Moyes shouldn't be having a major say in deals. Like Brighton, Brentford and even Bournemouth now, they have implemented a style and system. Their recruitment team finds managers and players who fit and its continuity. If TFG believe they have made the right appointments in the recruitment dept then let them get on with it. Moyes should be told we are not paying money for the likes of Soucek and McGinn. Either manage these players we are targeting or thank you and goodbye.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Delap wants to stay and fight for his place at Chelsea according to BBC gossip thing which would be a relief for us hopefully.

 

[Neiler]

Delap wants to stay and fight for his place at Chelsea according to BBC gossip thing which would be a relief for us hopefully.

I dont know how we went rom trying for Delap to Barry in terms of profile and traits we wanted.

Thats a worry.

 

[Willo62]

In todays game, it doesn't matter who the manager is, how big their reputation is or how much experience they have, they wont be given a lot of time if the team is struggling badly. Plus managers dont think about the future of the club, they are pre occupied with doing the best job at the time.

This is why Moyes shouldn't be having a major say in deals. Like Brighton, Brentford and even Bournemouth now, they have implemented a style and system. Their recruitment team finds managers and players who fit and its continuity. If TFG believe they have made the right appointments in the recruitment dept then let them get on with it. Moyes should be told we are not paying money for the likes of Soucek and McGinn. Either manage these players we are targeting or thank you and goodbye.

What young player is going to sign for this dinosaur of a manager?
And I’m glad you mentioned Brighton and their recruitment strategy because I would much rather my club was run similarly.
Yes they may have a similar points tally, but I tell you something, at least they are entertaining to watch and their players have a go at winning the game.
Our fans have been starved of watching entertaining football for years.
It’s not going to get any better by keeping dour dithering Davie, and letting him have control of recruiting players.

 

[Neiler]

This is an inevitable Fraser Fletcher link.

 

[CairnsToffee]

Newcastle are desperately looking for a striker this Summer as well and will be in for Jackson.

The best we can hope for is Moyes doesn’t go in for Wonkymarde, as he would fit the profile we are looking for. 6ft6, overrated, overpriced and useless. Has Everton written all over him.

Funny thing is that the likes of True Geordie and other channels in the Northeast point out as soon as Woltemade (spelling sorry) was taken out of the team they stopped scoring. especially when Gordon was playing centre forward

Eddie Howe will be gone by the end of the season as his philosophy and game style has stopped working for them, you need more than just running around a lot

 

[GoldenToffee]

This is an inevitable Fraser Fletcher link.

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It's going to be hard for them to offload him. They probably doubled his wages to way over 100k a week, he's 30 at the start of next season, past his best, has had an awful injury recently. They still owe most of his transfer fee to Brentford, and nobody would pay even half of what they paid for him.

 

[Eggs]