Steven Pienaar

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Martinez has fallen out with/marginalised most of what I would call 'prime' squad players. I believe he has created a culture of dependency in the squad and that is reflected in the age make up. Most of the players in the squad are dependent upon Martinez's unique position and managerial viewpoint for their career and as such do not question his methods giving him in turn an easy ride.

Let's look through them:

Howard: knew he was past it, but had a manager unfailingly backing him when most would have dropped him ages ago, why rock the boat

Stones: knew other managers wouldn't indulge a 19 year old messing around with it at the back. As a kid why question the man giving you game time? Even he though has now started to once the novelty of first team football wore off.

Barry: no other prem manager would give a 35 year old guaranteed first team football, build the midfield around him and give him a fat contract. Wouldn't say a word against the giver of that sweet deal.

McCarthy: knows he's guaranteed starter even when unfit or out of firm. Knows there won't be a word said against his appalling goals and assist record or his terrible passing range. Knows he's lucky to be at this level and is shielded by Martinez

Barkley: Gets to play every week in his favourite position regardless of form without any questioning of his defensive work rate or marking. Why rock that boat?

Lukaku: Needed a manager who would play him every single week even though his touch initially was not good enough. Now that it is and he knows he can command better he's starting to question Martinez.

Del: needed game time and a manager not bothered by his lack of work rate, hello Roberto.

Martinez has systematically bought young players and older players as he knows they are both grateful to him for either starting or prolonging careers in the prem when maybe they're either not ready or past it.

Meanwhile, established premier league players who are in the age gap inverween? Mirallas - brilliant for us in 13/14 then unfairly marginalised after being made a scapegoat for penalty gate. Should have played a lot more. Naismith - key goals whenever he plays, yet marginalised out the squad and sold. Gibson - has injury issues yes but has been fit for a while now yet barely seen a minute. Oviedo - until only recently was even behind Galloway for the LB spot. Jelavic sold off for an ageing Kone. Pienaar and Osman - both got now, can barely get minutes. Even Lennon, saved Roberto's backside last season, gets rewarded by half a season on the bench, only got back in by indisputable good form.

The three exceptions to the rule are Jags Baines and Coleman probably because their exceptional quality makes them difficult to drop and also because Martinez knows he is an absolute fraud in this area. Even with that though there's been loads of rumours about Baines falling out with him but being such a key figure with the fans that he has remained in the team. All three are also extremely quiet so don't stir up much trouble.

In conclusion, any player who isn't reliant on Martinez for his prem career and has a bit of front to them has been marginalised or sold by the manager. This has come from the top, Bill has no standards so Martinez answers to no one, why have a squad where players hold him to account? Instead he's created one where the majority are so happy to be playing they'll swallow the tripe he feeds them and not ask questions.

Even with all the above though you sense it will all unravel soon.
 
“I haven’t been in the squad for the last six weeks, I don’t know why, and obviously this is a concern for me. But that is the coach’s decision and I must respect that."

He has a point like! Not like we are blessed with talent on the left hand side.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Martinez has fallen out with/marginalised most of what I would call 'prime' squad players. I believe he has created a culture of dependency in the squad and that is reflected in the age make up. Most of the players in the squad are dependent upon Martinez's unique position and managerial viewpoint for their career and as such do not question his methods giving him in turn an easy ride.

Let's look through them:

Howard: knew he was past it, but had a manager unfailingly backing him when most would have dropped him ages ago, why rock the boat

Stones: knew other managers wouldn't indulge a 19 year old messing around with it at the back. As a kid why question the man giving you game time? Even he though has now started to once the novelty of first team football wore off.

Barry: no other prem manager would give a 35 year old guaranteed first team football, build the midfield around him and give him a fat contract. Wouldn't say a word against the giver of that sweet deal.

McCarthy: knows he's guaranteed starter even when unfit or out of firm. Knows there won't be a word said against his appalling goals and assist record or his terrible passing range. Knows he's lucky to be at this level and is shielded by Martinez

Barkley: Gets to play every week in his favourite position regardless of form without any questioning of his defensive work rate or marking. Why rock that boat?

Lukaku: Needed a manager who would play him every single week even though his touch initially was not good enough. Now that it is and he knows he can command better he's starting to question Martinez.

Del: needed game time and a manager not bothered by his lack of work rate, hello Roberto.

Martinez has systematically bought young players and older players as he knows they are both grateful to him for either starting or prolonging careers in the prem when maybe they're either not ready or past it.

Meanwhile, established premier league players who are in the age gap inverween? Mirallas - brilliant for us in 13/14 then unfairly marginalised after being made a scapegoat for penalty gate. Should have played a lot more. Naismith - key goals whenever he plays, yet marginalised out the squad and sold. Gibson - has injury issues yes but has been fit for a while now yet barely seen a minute. Oviedo - until only recently was even behind Galloway for the LB spot. Jelavic sold off for an ageing Kone. Pienaar and Osman - both got now, can barely get minutes. Even Lennon, saved Roberto's backside last season, gets rewarded by half a season on the bench, only got back in by indisputable good form.

The three exceptions to the rule are Jags Baines and Coleman probably because their exceptional quality makes them difficult to drop and also because Martinez knows he is an absolute fraud in this area. Even with that though there's been loads of rumours about Baines falling out with him but being such a key figure with the fans that he has remained in the team. All three are also extremely quiet so don't stir up much trouble.

In conclusion, any player who isn't reliant on Martinez for his prem career and has a bit of front to them has been marginalised or sold by the manager. This has come from the top, Bill has no standards so Martinez answers to no one, why have a squad where players hold him to account? Instead he's created one where the majority are so happy to be playing they'll swallow the tripe he feeds them and not ask questions.

Even with all the above though you sense it will all unravel soon.
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Wow, that's a whole lot of fiction and personal opinion masquerading as fact.
Do you have equally strong revelations about the Illuminati and the Lizard people who 'secretly rule the world'?
 
Saint Domingo said:
Martinez has fallen out with/marginalised most of what I would call 'prime' squad players. I believe he has created a culture of dependency in the squad and that is reflected in the age make up. Most of the players in the squad are dependent upon Martinez's unique position and managerial viewpoint for their career and as such do not question his methods giving him in turn an easy ride.

Let's look through them:

Howard: knew he was past it, but had a manager unfailingly backing him when most would have dropped him ages ago, why rock the boat

Stones: knew other managers wouldn't indulge a 19 year old messing around with it at the back. As a kid why question the man giving you game time? Even he though has now started to once the novelty of first team football wore off.

Barry: no other prem manager would give a 35 year old guaranteed first team football, build the midfield around him and give him a fat contract. Wouldn't say a word against the giver of that sweet deal.

McCarthy: knows he's guaranteed starter even when unfit or out of firm. Knows there won't be a word said against his appalling goals and assist record or his terrible passing range. Knows he's lucky to be at this level and is shielded by Martinez

Barkley: Gets to play every week in his favourite position regardless of form without any questioning of his defensive work rate or marking. Why rock that boat?

Lukaku: Needed a manager who would play him every single week even though his touch initially was not good enough. Now that it is and he knows he can command better he's starting to question Martinez.

Del: needed game time and a manager not bothered by his lack of work rate, hello Roberto.

Martinez has systematically bought young players and older players as he knows they are both grateful to him for either starting or prolonging careers in the prem when maybe they're either not ready or past it.

Meanwhile, established premier league players who are in the age gap inverween? Mirallas - brilliant for us in 13/14 then unfairly marginalised after being made a scapegoat for penalty gate. Should have played a lot more. Naismith - key goals whenever he plays, yet marginalised out the squad and sold. Gibson - has injury issues yes but has been fit for a while now yet barely seen a minute. Oviedo - until only recently was even behind Galloway for the LB spot. Jelavic sold off for an ageing Kone. Pienaar and Osman - both got now, can barely get minutes. Even Lennon, saved Roberto's backside last season, gets rewarded by half a season on the bench, only got back in by indisputable good form.

The three exceptions to the rule are Jags Baines and Coleman probably because their exceptional quality makes them difficult to drop and also because Martinez knows he is an absolute fraud in this area. Even with that though there's been loads of rumours about Baines falling out with him but being such a key figure with the fans that he has remained in the team. All three are also extremely quiet so don't stir up much trouble.

In conclusion, any player who isn't reliant on Martinez for his prem career and has a bit of front to them has been marginalised or sold by the manager. This has come from the top, Bill has no standards so Martinez answers to no one, why have a squad where players hold him to account? Instead he's created one where the majority are so happy to be playing they'll swallow the tripe he feeds them and not ask questions.

Even with all the above though you sense it will all unravel soon.
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What on earth?
 
Saint Domingo said:
Martinez has fallen out with/marginalised most of what I would call 'prime' squad players. I believe he has created a culture of dependency in the squad and that is reflected in the age make up. Most of the players in the squad are dependent upon Martinez's unique position and managerial viewpoint for their career and as such do not question his methods giving him in turn an easy ride.

Let's look through them:

Howard: knew he was past it, but had a manager unfailingly backing him when most would have dropped him ages ago, why rock the boat

Stones: knew other managers wouldn't indulge a 19 year old messing around with it at the back. As a kid why question the man giving you game time? Even he though has now started to once the novelty of first team football wore off.

Barry: no other prem manager would give a 35 year old guaranteed first team football, build the midfield around him and give him a fat contract. Wouldn't say a word against the giver of that sweet deal.

McCarthy: knows he's guaranteed starter even when unfit or out of firm. Knows there won't be a word said against his appalling goals and assist record or his terrible passing range. Knows he's lucky to be at this level and is shielded by Martinez

Barkley: Gets to play every week in his favourite position regardless of form without any questioning of his defensive work rate or marking. Why rock that boat?

Lukaku: Needed a manager who would play him every single week even though his touch initially was not good enough. Now that it is and he knows he can command better he's starting to question Martinez.

Del: needed game time and a manager not bothered by his lack of work rate, hello Roberto.

Martinez has systematically bought young players and older players as he knows they are both grateful to him for either starting or prolonging careers in the prem when maybe they're either not ready or past it.

Meanwhile, established premier league players who are in the age gap inverween? Mirallas - brilliant for us in 13/14 then unfairly marginalised after being made a scapegoat for penalty gate. Should have played a lot more. Naismith - key goals whenever he plays, yet marginalised out the squad and sold. Gibson - has injury issues yes but has been fit for a while now yet barely seen a minute. Oviedo - until only recently was even behind Galloway for the LB spot. Jelavic sold off for an ageing Kone. Pienaar and Osman - both got now, can barely get minutes. Even Lennon, saved Roberto's backside last season, gets rewarded by half a season on the bench, only got back in by indisputable good form.

The three exceptions to the rule are Jags Baines and Coleman probably because their exceptional quality makes them difficult to drop and also because Martinez knows he is an absolute fraud in this area. Even with that though there's been loads of rumours about Baines falling out with him but being such a key figure with the fans that he has remained in the team. All three are also extremely quiet so don't stir up much trouble.

In conclusion, any player who isn't reliant on Martinez for his prem career and has a bit of front to them has been marginalised or sold by the manager. This has come from the top, Bill has no standards so Martinez answers to no one, why have a squad where players hold him to account? Instead he's created one where the majority are so happy to be playing they'll swallow the tripe he feeds them and not ask questions.

Even with all the above though you sense it will all unravel soon.
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wat
 
SpurtingLesbian said:
Wow, that's a whole lot of fiction and personal opinion masquerading as fact.
Do you have equally strong revelations about the Illuminati and the Lizard people who 'secretly rule the world'?
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You mean from the once popular TV series "V" ?

They eat mice dont they...Id say Osman was more of a candidate for them than Steven Pienaar...
 
Zatara said:
So its "unreasonable" for the club to wait before offering you a contract as youve been inuored fo 2 seasons+ and cant make the squad...

Well what goes around comes around Steven. Hope you enjoyed your time at Spurs.
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He is saying he is fit and clearly showing that Martinez is not liked by him and probably several other players. Can't believe the disdain you are showing for a player with such a fantastic work-rate and who has been one of our strengths both under Moyes and initially Martinez.
 
If he's genuinely expecting a new contract then he's probably been drinking too much, AGAIN. Love Pienaar but he's at the end now, it's either retire or go to MLS or the Middle East for one last payday. His time as a Premier League player is over.
 
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