So, this Syria thing...

[TX Bill]

It wouldn't of gotten this bad if we intervened before hand - ie. When tanks were rolled out against peaceful protests last year.

Regardless of how we do it, innocent people will die and the fact that we're going in with so little planning (again) really annoys me.

When we get rid of him, then what?

Elections - and then we'll see Egypt happen again, but the people in charge will be even more crazed.

Killing people to stop them from killing other people isn't the answer.

But more people would have been upset with intervention back then. To be fair, I think the West for the most part have handled the Syria issue fairly well. Assad crossed the line. There is no turning back.

Your concern is misplaced. It shouldn't be for "what happens after?" or "what about elections?" Your concern should be about those who are sitting in harms way right now.

And your last comment, I'm going to assume that you felt there was a better solution to Nazism, Hitler, and the extermination of six million Jews? I'm all ears.

To conclude, killing people to stop them from killing other people isn't the answer, it's the ONLY answer. There is no other answer.

 

[Number_25]

Oh, and to add to that - we're not even sure whether or not it was al-Assad's troops that sent off the chemical attacks.

 

[TX Bill]

Ah yes, its ok to use them on some other people bar your own. Yeah, got it !

You've lost me. You're trying to make some kind of a point here regarding Assad's actions against his own people?

 

[TX Bill]

Oh, and to add to that - we're not even sure whether or not it was al-Assad's troops that sent off the chemical attacks.

The world and the UN team is fairly sure but what do those people know?

 

[Number_25]

But more people would have been upset with intervention back then. To be fair, I think the West for the most part have handled the Syria issue fairly well. Assad crossed the line. There is no turning back.

Your concern is misplaced. It shouldn't be for "what happens after?" or "what about elections?" Your concern should be about those who are sitting in harms way right now.

And your last comment, I'm going to assume that you felt there was a better solution to Nazism, Hitler, and the extermination of six million Jews? I'm all ears.

To conclude, killing people to stop them from killing other people isn't the answer, it's the ONLY answer. There is no other answer.

My cousin was involved in the invasion of Iraq, and the absolute mess that happened before hand.

He told me that when they first went there, everything was fantastic - they were moving forward ahead of time and expected the war to be over by the end of 2004.

Lack of planning and preparation afterward caused havoc, and he sees the same happening in Syria.

 

[Number_25]

The world and the UN team is fairly sure but what do those people know?

The UN haven't even come back yet with their findings.

 

[TX Bill]

Yeah, I wish that there were easy answers for all of this in terms of "Well we'll just go in and take care of all this and it'll be peaches afterwards" but it never works out that way.

So, since we know it doesn't work out that way, do we just say "Screw it, things may be bad afterwards so let's just let this guy stay in place an continue to commit atrocities against his own people" or do we do the right thing.

I guarantee you what the Syrians on the receiving end of these chemical weapons would say.

 

[TX Bill]

The UN haven't even come back yet with their findings.

Look, ALL of the evidence is pointing towards the worst use of chemical weapons since Hussein used them against the Kurds in '88. If that isn't enough for you and you need to see more "proof," I can't help you there.

 

[Number_25]

Yeah, I wish that there were easy answers for all of this in terms of "Well we'll just go in and take care of all this and it'll be peaches afterwards" but it never works out that way.

So, since we know it doesn't work out that way, do we just say "Screw it, things may be bad afterwards so let's just let this guy stay in place an continue to commit atrocities against his own people" or do we do the right thing.

I guarantee you what the Syrians on the receiving end of these chemical weapons would say.

We don't even know if it was al-Assad's army which did the chemical attacks.

Wait for the UN's findings, then look at talks - and after those are extinguished plan ahead of a group/air attack on Syria with a clear and transparent plan for after the war.

Right now, we're not doing any of those things.

 

[Number_25]

Look, ALL of the evidence is pointing towards the worst use of chemical weapons since Hussein used them against the Kurds in '88. If that isn't enough for you and you need to see more "proof," I can't help you there.

The guys who Bashar al-Assad is fighting is the same people we've been fighting in Afghanistan for the past 10 years.

 

[TX Bill]

Haven't heard that one.

 

[Number_25]

Haven't heard that one.

Go onto LiveLeak, type in FSA and have a look at the guys who we're helping.

As bad as eachother.

 

[Raymondo077]

You've lost me. You're trying to make some kind of a point here regarding Assad's actions against his own people?

FFS TX,, the USA were instrumental in the developement of chemical weapons.
And to a lesser extent, if your prepared to use tear and nerve gas on your own people, what else is your government prepared to do?

 

[TX Bill]

FFS TX,, the USA were instrumental in the developement of chemical weapons.
And to a lesser extent, if your prepared to use tear and nerve gas on your own people, what else is your government prepared to do?

"To a lesser extent?"

What conspiracy theory websites have you been on???

I think I've heard it all now. The USA is prepared to use chemical weapons on it's own people?

 

[Raymondo077]

If thats too hard to understand, then let the American people try storm Washington.

Pulls up chair*