Sir Seamus Coleman

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Neiler said:
Personally i think Hibbert is the unfair catharsis for absolutley everything that goes wrong during a game - i think its more habit then analysis.

I think hes been our best leader since pip was out, i remember him having to come across a number of times in that Spurs game to cover for Coleman - and thats thing really expierence.
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I've always said Hibbo is your traditional right back...he's a defender, he's not a wing back. He's been trained all his career to defend, and he does it well, and not run at players and be, in essence a 2nd winger.

If he were 6ft, he's be more of a centre half which is why its not overly surprising he's coped at centre half when asked. But he's not, so he's a right back, there to defend and not to attack.
 

Hayee said:
Baines isn't as solid in defence as Hibbert. What we lose in attacking football we gain in defense with Tony. You can't have it both ways. Hibbert should stay!
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Neither is Glen Johnson and he's a international full back. Who'd you rather have, Hibbo or Johnson?
 

It's really not that hard to be good defensively at full back. If you look at the majority of full backs in the league, they are mostly better at defending than attacking and fairly solid at it too. It is a very difficult position to fill, I'll give you that, particularly right back, but that doesn't mean we should settle for a player who is about on a level with Stephen Carr.
 
I agree with TB again...
Coleman already show us, in 2 games, what he can do which Hibbert can't in 9 years. That is overlap, dribble and quality crossing.
 
It was me who has started the discussion on Coleman again after things has die down on this topic and it makes interesting reading on what's other think of this issue.

Fans come from different generation would most certainly have different opinion to each others, as fans from same generation would have different opinion to each other, so it was normal everyone are entitle to there own opinion.

I was only a kid in the 80's and by the time I am starting to appreciate the game of football, it was already coming toward the end of division football era into the Premiership era, so my view would lean toward the modern game of football.

Earlier comment believe as a full-back defensive capabilities are more important, and I too agree but only up to certain extent. Why is that?

Someone also said something about Baines, about his defensive skill not as good as Hibbert, I think by answering this question would also led up to my reason of thinking.

I would ask you this question "While Baines was out injured, we had used Hibbert to cover Baines for a game or two, how well did he do in defence? what did he do on the attacking front?"

I tell you what happen? he did his defensive duty but make no connection with the midfield on the attacking front, let alone making connection with the striker. Modern game of football is all about working for each others and moving as a unit. That's is why as a full-back, your attacking capabilities up to a certain extent are just as important as there defensive capabilities.

As far as I am concern I had seen too many time when Baines, Pienaar, Arteta or Billy has drag a number of the opposition player toward the left side and open up space for Hibbert to run into the final third, and he chicken out because he know his capabilities, for me this is no excuse.

He didn't even try, he could always pass the ball back or make a long switch side cross toward Baines and Pienaar on the left side of the final third, if he couldn't get any further.

That's is why it get easier for the opposition to defend against our attacking pattern, they know we are likely to attack on the left or through the middle, so they concentrate there once they know they don't have to worried on the right, as far as they are concern as long as there is someone who is within 10m or so from Hibbert, you could gurantee Hibbert would go no further than the midfield, as soon as you start closing in he would pass the ball to his teammate staright away.

That is why I am not happy with Hibbert, just you try allow that space to Johnson, Richard or even Coleman, I would gurantee they would run with the ball into the final third or even down the line and cross a deadly ball into the box. Hibbert are wasting the space that was open up by Baines, Pienaar and Arteta or Billy, as he made no attempt to explore those open space.

I don't know how many people would agree with me, but this would be my philosophy "The best way to defend, is to attack!" How often do you see Chelsea, Man U & Arsenal has to defend? Not as many as other team, that's is because they go by this philosophy and they play possession football.

I bet everyone would agree with me on this, the most comfortable way to win a game is to gain a two/three goals lead, and then play possession football and counter attack at the right time, this is exactly the way these teams are playing and we should follow the same philosophy.

As someone also suggest we should wait for Yobo & Distin or even Jagielka come back before we used Coleman, that way defensively we would be more stable and it would allow Coleman to attack without worrying as much.

Again my reasoning from above would go against this suggestion, no doubt we are conceding goal in game at the moment, and it would be quite natural for you to think we need to strengthen our defence first before thinking about attack.

But when you are think of the defender we have available at the moment we would concede goal any way, no matter who we pick in the middle. During these situation I think everyone would agree with me saying this "The only way to win the game, we must out score the opposition!" Meaning if they score two, we had to score three.

So, that is why I am saying we need Coleman playing on the right to explore those open space and create more chances for our attacker to score more goals.
 

Seamus Coleman is a throw back to Gary Stevens...I feel he would excel in a settled backfour where the communication and organization is good and ability to cover each other is eveident. Certainly gives an extra edge on the right side.
 
Very good post by TD2001. At the moment, our only offensive tactic is down the flanks. We rarely attack down the middle, and we can't create anything meaningful down the right. This makes us very easy to defend against.
I've notice something unusual during our game against brum. Cahill, Fellaini and billy choose not to pass to Hibbert even tho he's in a good potential overlapping position. Anyone notice it as well?
 
Axlswhk said:
Very good post by TD2001. At the moment, our only offensive tactic is down the flanks. We rarely attack down the middle, and we can't create anything meaningful down the right. This makes us very easy to defend against.
I've notice something unusual during our game against brum. Cahill, Fellaini and billy choose not to pass to Hibbert even tho he's in a good potential overlapping position. Anyone notice it as well?
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Thanks man! (y)

Everyone seem to be thinking the fans who keep saying we should play Neill instead of Hibbert or Coleman instead of Hibbert, for no particular reason or base on the Spurs game.

So, I feel the need to type up something to explain my reason behind making such comments.

I simply don't understand why some Evertonian feel there was an need to play Hibbert as much as possible? Is it because he's been playing RB for us for more than 7 years now? Was it because he was a loyal servant to us? Was it because he too is a Evertonian?

As far as I am concern Hibbert has it value and he is still an important squad player, but we need a right-back who could assist more on the attacking front, which would move the team attacking capabilities to a new level, but sadly Hibbert don't have what it take to keep him as our first choice RB.

Axlswhk, have I notice? It's a fact, we know, they know and Moyes should know by now.

Let's say, if Valencia was playing for us we would never reach our potential on the attacking front because we are using Hibbert and he just won't support the attack and he is not as good at crossing if you compare him to Neill and Coleman.

I don't want to say it, but Hibbert had 7 years to prove himself and that is plenty time for any player in any position, is time he step down and become a back-up for the defence line-up.
 
put coleman at right back instead of hibbert and we will see the difference straight away.
at the moment other teams know that nothing will come from our right.
our own players only pass to him when there is no other option.

Hibbert is a liability.
 
Spot on really, he's had his time and whilst he can still be useful as a squad player it's time to bring something different in. Coleman might not be ready but it's worth a go, someone who can freshen things up and offer us another dimension.

Moyes is being far too cautious and judging by some of the posts, so are alot of Blues. Hibbert is one of the most limited footballers in the League, decent defender, but he offers nothing going forward. It pisses me off the amount of times he gets into a good position and simply slows everything down and passes sideways. He doesn't even attempt to do something with the ball. His only 'move' is that chip into the box. The lad doesn't even use his left foot, he's technically inept.

We are struggling to break down teams at home, Coleman would be a far better option. As would Lucas Neill who is far more composed on the ball than Hibbert.
 

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