Sir Seamus Coleman

[TheDevils2001]

All based on 2 games?

Three actually, don't forget he also played in Bates game, not just Spurs and Carlisle.

I never said he should be our first choice RB, but he should play alot more, I am still more into playing Neill in RB as our first Choice, but sadly we are short in the middle so he is play CB at the moment.

Neill is not available, Hibbert likely to be injured surely that is a good excuse to used Coleman for the coming game until Hibbert or Distin or Jagielka return.

If Coleman could play in our next 3 games he could learn alot from them, Arsenal is a great team, Man City has alot of quality player & more than probably Birmingham who is an mid-table standard Premier League team.

Especially Arsenal if we are likely going to lose, what harm could it make by playing Coleman? It shouldn't effect the result any way, but what if Coleman does influence the game in a positive way?

It's certainly a risk worth taking, just by giving a talented player his much needed experience.

 

[wabisabi]

the point is, is that he currently offers the team far more in terms of going forward and posing a threat and little less defensively than hibbert offers at RB. coleman has more than earned his place to start at RB.

 

[faddy the blue]

Three actually, don't forget he also played in Bates game, not just Spurs and Carlisle.

I never said he should be our first choice RB, but he should play alot more, I am still more into playing Neill in RB as our first Choice, but sadly we are short in the middle so he is play CB at the moment.

Neill is not available, Hibbert likely to be injured surely that is a good excuse to used Coleman for the coming game until Hibbert or Distin or Jagielka return.

If Coleman could play in our next 3 games he could learn alot from them, Arsenal is a great team, Man City has alot of quality player & more than probably Birmingham who is an mid-table standard Premier League team.

Especially Arsenal if we are likely going to lose, what harm could it make by playing Coleman? It shouldn't effect the result any way, but what if Coleman does influence the game in a positive way?

It's certainly a risk worth taking, just by giving a talented player his much needed experience.

Exactly, I am not really an anti hibbert guy but this season i have been frustrated whenever he has played at RB. He should concentrate on being a CB cos i thought he played there very well and he can make use of his weapon,TACKLING to a great extent.
I'd be pretty happy to see Neill at RB myself,can defend, can actually do long passing,short passing,good crosser,just lacks pace.

 

[Axlswhk]

He has a lot to learn still about defending, decsion making, when to make a run the way he plays at the moment the centre half have to come across and cover. No doubht he has impact going forward but he needs to find the balance between his defensive game and his attacking threat. Not there yet for me- and the Arsenal game isnt the one to be trying new things especially at the back - but undoubted talent.

yeah keep him away from big games, he'll improve in reserve.

 

[Axlswhk]

the point is, is that he currently offers the team far more in terms of going forward and posing a threat and little less defensively than hibbert offers at RB. coleman has more than earned his place to start at RB.

That's the whole point really. Play the best available player. It's not difficult isn't it? It's not as if hibbert defend like maldini.

 

[Neiler]

yeah keep him away from big games, he'll improve in reserve.

Well there were many sayying after Benfica he would amount to nothing, Arsenal are probably the best attacking team in the country - it will take expierence and discpline to keep them at bay not Seamies strong points yet - its a results buissness like mate.

 

[Axlswhk]

Well there were many sayying after Benfica he would amount to nothing, Arsenal are probably the best attacking team in the country - it will take expierence and discpline to keep them at bay not Seamies strong points yet - its a results buissness like mate.

They are even more people calling his inclusion now. He don't play he won't learn. His defending is not miles away from hibbert.

 

[Neiler]

They are even more people calling his inclusion now. He don't play he won't learn. His defending is not miles away from hibbert.

I think it is mate, the Arsenal game is the kind of game you dont really want your centre half to have to cover for full backs. Just my opinion and i rate Seamus. His time will come but hes far from a polished performenr against CL sides. Trust me this game wont be one for fullbacks bombing on.

 

[Goat]

Arsenal play with Arshavin central and wingbacks, Its not like Coleman will have Arshavin on him all game. The Arse come at you thru the centre, Hibbert is really bad, Coleman looks really good, its not really worth thinking about, he must be given the number 2 shirt!!!!

 

[Axlswhk]

Hibbert needs covering as much as coleman. His positioning is probably as bad. It's far more likely to see hibbert panic when in pressure. He's not as good in defending as one suggest.

 

[Neiler]

Arsenal play with Arshavin central and wingbacks, Its not like Coleman will have Arshavin on him all game. The Arse come at you thru the centre, Hibbert is really bad, Coleman looks really good, its not really worth thinking about, he must be given the number 2 shirt!!!!

Hibbert needs covering as much as coleman. His positioning is probably as bad. It's far more likely to see hibbert panic when in pressure. He's not as good in defending as one suggest.

Wrong he doesnt need as much covering and his games against the top 4 are prob his best - why becasue hes a good defender.

Can you really Wenger not utiliseing a flank if theirs a young inexpierenced full back, hard to know where he will play Arshavein he has been used on the flank, centrally and up front in thelast few weeks, i suspect Ramsey will keep his spot on yesterday and the games before performence and he will play with Diaby. Anyway if our centre halfs are covering for Coleman doesnt that make the centre weak.

Its just the wrong game lads.

 

[Axlswhk]

You are the one who is wrong. Hibbert needs covering because he got caught out of position often, his technical ability causes him to lose the ball more often, his awkwardness in dealing with tricky ball is plain to see. All these is enough to draw attention from your CB.

He's never a good defender, maybe decent.

 

[Neiler]

You are the one who is wrong. Hibbert needs covering because he got caught out of position often, his technical ability causes him to lose the ball more often, his awkwardness in dealing with tricky ball is plain to see. All these is enough to draw attention from your CB.

He's never a good defender, maybe decent.

I like both of them mate, Seamies time will come it wont be and shouldnt be against Arsenal. To be fair all full backs need covering at times and especially ours with our system of play- Baines is the smae but he has the balance in hi s play that Seamie needs to develop - hes not there now.

If you think Hibbert is muck well thas your opinion i aint trying to change it, even if i dont agree with it. Hibbert is at his best against the top 4 as he has proved on countless occasions, he has done a sterling job this season across the defence and has showen leadership in doing so in Phil absence as captain.

There isnt a planet in the world i would pick Seamie over Hibbert against the best attacking and counter attacking team in the country in Arsenal as much as i am a fan of him. Moyes wont either like and thats all that matters, exactly for the reasons ive said.

 

[Goat]

You say Hibbert does well againt the top 4, did you not see Chelsea rip the back out of him in the Cup Final? Its myth that Hibbert is a good defender.

Anyway, fully fit squad, I doubt Hibbert would make the bench. So lets ride out the injuries then hopefully hes bye bye.

 

[TheDevils2001]

Wrong he doesnt need as much covering and his games against the top 4 are prob his best - why becasue hes a good defender.

Can you really Wenger not utiliseing a flank if theirs a young inexpierenced full back, hard to know where he will play Arshavein he has been used on the flank, centrally and up front in thelast few weeks, i suspect Ramsey will keep his spot on yesterday and the games before performence and he will play with Diaby. Anyway if our centre halfs are covering for Coleman doesnt that make the centre weak.

Its just the wrong game lads.

Well, you can be right and you can be wrong, last season is last season and this season is this season, what is the result we got against Top 4 when Hibbert is RB this season?

Apart from Chelsea we drew, the others end with a defeat, but with Coleman we already manage a draw with Spurs who is currently 4th. Result whilst Coleman got same point as Hibbert if you just count playing top 4 team, but Coleman just had less opportunity.

We have a pretty good idea what Hibbert are like, but isn't it too early to judge Coleman, after-all the games he had played in his natural position, his performance are all positive whether it was base on his defensive duty or include his attacking ability.

My philosophy for defending is "The best way to defend, is to attack" meaning if we could pin them in there half, then they couldn't attack us as much as we are doing to them. This is exactly what all top team are trying to do, and only way to counter it, is by having similar capability, which is why I feel it is important to play Coleman.

Beside no point arguing on whether to start Hibbert in RB against Arsenal, we might not have the choice any way, Hibbert would more than probably not recover for the game any way, so, Coleman would likely start and would prove who is right and who is wrong?