There is a difference between deserving compassion and deserving rights.
You can choose to give one, the other applies universally...
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You can choose to give one, the other applies universally...
What you’ve done there is try to use anecdotal evidence to prove a point, rather than actual data or studies.
Nobody is saying everybody who grows up poor ends up murdering people.
If you’re born into wealth, you are overwhelmingly likely to become wealthy yourself versus somebody born into poverty.
That doesn’t mean you cannot succeed or buck the trend if you are born into poverty, but it absolutely makes it more difficult.
Similarly, if you’re brought up in an abusive household where you witness your mother being beaten up you are more likely to go on to be an abuser yourself.
Exactly. For all the talk in here about the ’soft left’ and people having too much sympathy for Begum, I haven’t seen a single comment in here which expresses any massive sympathy or compassion for her at all, it’s purely a question of rights, and who should ‘own the problem’ of her wrong-doing.
I've little sympathy for her.
I do however have a problem when the Supreme Court states the CoA was wrong to apply the law to her case, because it should defer to the opinion of the home secretary.
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
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Wow.
dead_soft
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Mate, just go and have a chat with someone to deal with all this misplaced anger, it’ll do you a world of good
The fact Bangladesh are saying they wouldn't grant it now doesn't matter; at the time she lost her UK citizenship she was either a Bangladeshi citizen or clearly eligible to be one; meaning she wasn't stateless.
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I agree mate but ultimately everyone has free will and what they do comes down to choice.
No one has a gun pointed to their head we all know what right and wrong is we all know when someone cries or screams or begs for someone to stop it means that person isnt having a very nice experience yet if that person continues to do what they do then they are evil in my eyes regardless of what experience they might have had themselves growing up.
I work my arse off to make sure my lad doesnt ever have to grow up freezing like I did when my folks couldnt afford to put the heating on in winter whereas I know a lad who lived down the street from me who held his own mum at knifepoint for money to go buy ale and does nothing but cause trouble for his neighbours.
Two people from the same background yet I choose to do the right thing as best I can - I dont have sympathy for people who choose to vicitmise or hurt others.
Which Bangladesh refuted at the time of the original decision.
Crikey lol
Maybe if she did own her problem, especially before she committed her crimes.
Right and Wrong
Kids of various ages know right from wrong - they just don't care
Some people never progress/grow up from not caring if a thing is right or wrong...but they still know if it is
Do I believe this stuff they're telling me? Choose Y or N
If Y; do I want to go and do something about it? Choose Y or N, (aka, right or wrong and do I care)
If Y; do I want to take part in violent acts to further these new beliefs? Choose Y or N, (aka etc, etc)
If Y; how far do I want to go? Help others kill people? Choose Y or N, (aka, etc, etc,)
People know right from wrong - they just don't care.
Funny how they're all sorry when they get caught, or the fighting ends and they're on the losing side
Nah, Theres no choices, none at all...except the ones You personally make.
Small ones first...is this right or wrong...and do I care?
Oh and 2 (or more perceived wrongs) wrongs Still, don't make a right,
Doesn't matter, was made after the decision was made public as well as before and contrary to their own laws. She wasn't made stateless.
Same as Jack Letts being Canadian when the decision was made on him without telling Canada.
Is it a bit of an arlarse thing to do from the UK? Yes. But there's little doubt they were allowed to do it.
This is a weird ramble, which I don’t really understand the point of?
Is it - people make choices and are responsible for them? Sure, I can generally agree with that, although there’s a deeper conversation about how choices are made, and what influences those choices.
But the question is about which nation state then takes accountability for punishment for peoples bad choices.
tbh, I'm not too worried,
nobody really wants to take accountability, because its a can of worms..
It still comes back to Her initial lack Accountability - is what I will do / did right or wrong...its all her own fault and nobody wants her and her problems...which are all her own fault.
2 Govts. playing pass the parcel...and not wanting to win
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See, there are people like Tubey and a few others, where I may not agree with all the time, but I can understand their reasoned arguments.
Then there are people like you, who just type sound bites and enter certain words on a subject to attempt to have a view. You just use a template. For example, the amount of times
you talk about having 'xxxx' as your neighbour.
It is very clear you never have a basis for any discussion and you use the same rhetoric. It's embarrassing.
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