Current Affairs Shemima Begum

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Bit disappointed. Came here for pics.

I have no time or sympathy for her but I think that she might be our problem.

If she hasn't got Bangladeshi status, why would they give it to her? Surely it's not an automatic approval situation and there are clearly grounds to refuse.

If she cannot be stateless then she's our problem as she is/was a UK citizen.
 
Bit disappointed. Came here for pics.

I have no time or sympathy for her but I think that she might be our problem.

If she hasn't got Bangladeshi status, why would they give it to her? Surely it's not an automatic approval situation and there are clearly grounds to refuse.

If she cannot be stateless then she's our problem as she is/was a UK citizen.
That's the problem with a lot of views in this thread. It is quite clear in UK and international law that you can be made stateless in exceptional circumstances and that she has been found to meet the threshold for this.
 
Bit disappointed. Came here for pics.

I have no time or sympathy for her but I think that she might be our problem.

If she hasn't got Bangladeshi status, why would they give it to her? Surely it's not an automatic approval situation and there are clearly grounds to refuse.

If she cannot be stateless then she's our problem as she is/was a UK citizen.
The argument seems to be that if the Home Secretary is satisfied that the individual can attain citizenship elsewhere, then the Home Secretary can remove British citizenship if it is in the national interest.
Eye opening argument, especially for those amongst us with the option of dual nationality via Irish heritage!!
 
The argument seems to be that if the Home Secretary is satisfied that the individual can attain citizenship elsewhere, then the Home Secretary can remove British citizenship if it is in the national interest.
Eye opening argument, especially for those amongst us with the option of dual nationality via Irish heritage!!
Doesn't need citizenship elsewhere. An individual can be made stateless if in the National interest.
 
That's the problem with a lot of views in this thread. It is quite clear in UK and international law that you can be made stateless in exceptional circumstances and that she has been found to meet the threshold for this.
Yup, and I think joining and supporting a terrorist organisation and showing absolutely no remorse for her actions is about as exceptional a circumstance as it gets.
 
Doesn't need citizenship elsewhere. An individual can be made stateless if in the National interest.
I'm not sure they can.

‘The Secretary of State may not make an order under subsection (2) if he is satisfied that the order would make a person stateless.’

 
I'm not sure they can.

‘The Secretary of State may not make an order under subsection (2) if he is satisfied that the order would make a person stateless.’


They can’t.

I work in the system. We can’t make somebody stateless. That’s the whole crux of this case for me. We’ve gone against our very own laws and legislation.

We can’t make a person stateless on the proviso they could be entitled to citizenship elsewhere. That citizenship needs to be acquired before we make our decision.

That’s my understanding of it but citizenship law does get very complicated at that level and has a lot of loopholes which is why I simply can not be arsed looking for a promotion.
 
Can you provide a link to something detailing this please?
From page 4.
Very interesting case.

Section 40(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 allows the Secretary of State to deprive someone of their British citizenship if this is conducive to the public good. Generally deprivation happens when the individuals are abroad and appeals are usually heard in front of the Special Immigration Appeals Commissions

From the UN 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness which was ratified by the UK.

Article 8

Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 1 of this Article, a Contract-
ing State may retain the right to deprive a person of his nationality, if at the
time of signature, ratification or accession it specifies its retention of such
right on one or more of the following grounds, being grounds existing in its
national law at that time:
(a) that, inconsistently with his duty of loyalty to the Contracting State, the
person
(i) has, in disregard of an express prohibition by the Contracting State
rendered or continued to render services to, or received or contin-
ued to receive emoluments from, another State, or
(ii) has conducted himself in a manner seriously prejudicial to the vital
interests of the State;
(b) that the person has taken an oath, or made a formal declaration, of alle-
giance to another State, or given definite evidence of his determination
to repudiate his allegiance to the Contracting State.
4. A Contracting State shall not exercise a power of deprivation permitted
by paragraphs 2 or 3 of this Article except in accordance with law, which shall
provide for the person concerned the right to a fair hearing by a court or other
independent body.


It is therefore my opinion that the UK government behaved in accordance with national and international law in removing citizenship from Begum using the reason of national security and the judgment yesterday was sound.

I don't agree with a lot of what the government does but I agree with them here. She is not British and should not be allowed to return here under currentcircumstances.
I too believed that you could not be made stateless so started looking into it, but apparently you can be. We can argue the rights and wrongs of this but if there is was a sound argument that removing her citizenship was for the greater good then the judgement is sound.

All in all, a rather awful situation but one bought about thrugh her own actions. Also an excellent question raised on this thread was why was she made an example of in this way? Others have done similar and I think that the Bangladeshi status gave the Home Secretary an opportunity to push for this. I have no idea about Bangladeshi law on this matter.
 
From page 4.

I too believed that you could not be made stateless so started looking into it, but apparently you can be. We can argue the rights and wrongs of this but if there is was a sound argument that removing her citizenship was for the greater good then the judgement is sound.

All in all, a rather awful situation but one bought about thrugh her own actions. Also an excellent question raised on this thread was why was she made an example of in this way? Others have done similar and I think that the Bangladeshi status gave the Home Secretary an opportunity to push for this. I have no idea about Bangladeshi law on this matter.
She has been made an example of in this way because it's government by Daily Mail. It was Javid playing to the gallery. A convenient way to throw a bit of red meat to the those who think "the country's a soft touch". Pretty much everything this government does is with one eye on the optics.
 
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