Current Affairs Shemima Begum

[Toffeeslam]

This is just grandstanding

People are arguing that she should be made stateless for her crimes well I’m not condoning any of her crimes at all but.

1) she was born and raised here and she is British (same with Jack Letts) also considering she was groomed as a teenager too
2) People saying she’s Bangladeshi well she isn’t and Bangladesh have themselves said she isn’t and won’t be a citizen of that country.
3) she has never visited Bangladesh at all in her adult life as I understand it also ISIS was never a recognised state.
4) We can’t just palm off our dregs to other countries of the world and abdicate our responsibilities and say ‘we stripped her of her citizenship so there’.
5) she should be made to return and put on trial for the crimes she committed in a fair trial and then sentenced to the tariff our laws are supposed to dish out in this instance.

Those saying would you want to live next door to her ? How stupid, she would be in jail and hence irrelevant. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and due process and like I said there are disgusting terrorised and far right extremists that are also living here at her majesty’s pleasure although like this woman never killed anyone are still a threat to this country.

When do strip these clowns like Thomas Mair of there citizenship ? He killed an elected official for his ideological beliefs and my taxes sustain that animal.

Whatever you think of her she should be trialled here and we as a country should clean up our mess and not leave it in other countries.

Far worse than here are locked up here

 

[LostLegend]

Those saying would you want to live next door to her ?

Always made me laugh this shout. As if she’s gonna strap on a bomb belt one day and go charging through your front door.

I know a few on here we’re gutted when “Love thy neighbour” was canned, but this is just absurd.

 

[LEONARD]

Always made me laugh this shout. As if she’s gonna strap on a bomb belt one day and go charging through your front door.

I know a few on here we’re gutted when “Love thy neighbour” was canned, but this is just absurd.

Spot on mate, anyone opposing her return is a RACIST.

I know Shemima is desperate to come home and undertake social work with Jewish OAP'S, and our LGBTQ community.

 

[LostLegend]

Spot on mate, anyone opposing her return is a RACIST.

Would YOU like her to move next door to you though?

 

[peteblue]

This is just grandstanding

People are arguing that she should be made stateless for her crimes well I’m not condoning any of her crimes at all but.

1) she was born and raised here and she is British (same with Jack Letts) also considering she was groomed as a teenager too
2) People saying she’s Bangladeshi well she isn’t and Bangladesh have themselves said she isn’t and won’t be a citizen of that country.
3) she has never visited Bangladesh at all in her adult life as I understand it also ISIS was never a recognised state.
4) We can’t just palm off our dregs to other countries of the world and abdicate our responsibilities and say ‘we stripped her of her citizenship so there’.
5) she should be made to return and put on trial for the crimes she committed in a fair trial and then sentenced to the tariff our laws are supposed to dish out in this instance.

Those saying would you want to live next door to her ? How stupid, she would be in jail and hence irrelevant. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and due process and like I said there are disgusting terrorised and far right extremists that are also living here at her majesty’s pleasure although like this woman never killed anyone are still a threat to this country.

When do strip these clowns like Thomas Mair of there citizenship ? He killed an elected official for his ideological beliefs and my taxes sustain that animal.

Whatever you think of her she should be trialled here and we as a country should clean up our mess and not leave it in other countries.

Far worse than here are locked up here

I agree, you are.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

Spot on mate, anyone opposing her return is a RACIST.

I know Shemima is desperate to come home and undertake social work with Jewish OAP'S, and our LGBTQ community.

They could bond over a cup of weak tea and their fragile UK citizenship status.

 

[Toffeeslam]

I agree, you are.....

for what purpose ?

You disagree with my points ?
Tell me why I’m wrong.

 

[toffee82]

Always made me laugh this shout. As if she’s gonna strap on a bomb belt one day and go charging through your front door.

I know a few on here we’re gutted when “Love thy neighbour” was canned, but this is just absurd.

I stopped at strap on!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think the Govt was desperate to make their original ruling stick. There are approx 150 other UK born beardies in various camps and prisons across the middle east who have been stripped of their UK nationality.

Shemima Begun was simply a test case. If she had won the right to appeal in the UK, or even won her case outright then all the other beardies would come flooding back to the UK.

Unlike this girl, many of the other miscreants are hard-nosed Jihadi's. Bomb makers, strategic and tactical planners, hybrid warfare specialists. You get the picture. Having that lot loose in the UK doesn't bear thinking about.

Perspective is good isn't it? We had as many people die from Covid over a weekend during January as we have had killed by terrorists in the past 50 years (and the vast majority of those were IRA related rather than from Muslim ray-guns). Since 9/11, there have been an average of 7 deaths per year from terrorism, with nearly all of those resulting from the Tube attack in London and the Manchester bombing. In other words, for most of us it's practically no threat at all.

 

[tsubaki]

I think the Govt was desperate to make their original ruling stick. There are approx 150 other UK born beardies in various camps and prisons across the middle east who have been stripped of their UK nationality.

Shemima Begun was simply a test case. If she had won the right to appeal in the UK, or even won her case outright then all the other beardies would come flooding back to the UK.

Unlike this girl, many of the other miscreants are hard-nosed Jihadi's. Bomb makers, strategic and tactical planners, hybrid warfare specialists. You get the picture. Having that lot loose in the UK doesn't bear thinking about.

This is to argue from a position that doesn't exist, though - the government has never argued that, nor would the courts accept that as an argument.

Many of the jihadis in camps and across the world who once held British citizenship can quite easily and legally be stripped of their citizenship (and were) - they weren't born here, were still citizens of another country and after it became clear what they'd done the Home Secretary of the time rightly stripped them of British citizenship.

Letting Begum back in to face justice here wouldn't set a precedent; there are already people who emigrated to IS in the UK. The only precedent thats been set here is that the government can now, apparently, strip citizenship from people based solely on whether they are eligible to be citizens of another country - which is a profoundly dangerous precedent.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Perspective is good isn't it? We had as many people die from Covid over a weekend during January as we have had killed by terrorists in the past 50 years (and the vast majority of those were IRA related rather than from Muslim ray-guns). Since 9/11, there have been an average of 7 deaths per year from terrorism, with nearly all of those resulting from the Tube attack in London and the Manchester bombing. In other words, for most of us it's practically no threat at all.

I hear you, but try and sell that to the families of the Manchester bombing.

In my opinion the U.K. govt should have allowed this girl back into the country to plead her case properly in a court of law. I don’t see her personally as a threat to anyone, but I can also see the other side of the coin. If she did win then the legal precedent would have been set and the floodgates would open, allowing a lot of really bad guys would come back to these shores.

The U.K. govt was so concerned about the threat of these types returning from Syria that they dispatched special forces into the region with kill orders against U.K. born jihadis. Unfortunately a lot of them ended up in Iraqi and Kurdish jails, making slotting them extremely difficult. They did bag a fair few though.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

This is to argue from a position that doesn't exist, though - the government has never argued that, nor would the courts accept that as an argument.

Many of the jihadis in camps and across the world who once held British citizenship can quite easily and legally be stripped of their citizenship (and were) - they weren't born here, were still citizens of another country and after it became clear what they'd done the Home Secretary of the time rightly stripped them of British citizenship.

Letting Begum back in to face justice here wouldn't set a precedent; there are already people who emigrated to IS in the UK. The only precedent thats been set here is that the government can now, apparently, strip citizenship from people based solely on whether they are eligible to be citizens of another country - which is a profoundly dangerous

The ones remaining in jails or still on the loose are the ones that give the most concern.

of the approx 900 that left these shores some 350 have returned.

The ones allowed back in I believe were involved in the fighting, but were either fighting with the Kurds or alongside many of the other factions involved in theatre e.g FSA, Hezbolla not ISIS (I could be wrong though).

In 2019 all returning fighters from the region were blocked from returning by the home office and I think some 100 have been stripped of their U.K. citizenship. The precedent is trying to uphold that 2019 ruling.

Personally I think the Govt created their own mess by allowing some back in and blocking others. It makes it difficult to understand the legality of it. This girl should have been allowed to stand trial in the U.K. but I can see why the govt would not like this to happen.

 

[tsubaki]

The ones remaining in jails or still on the loose are the ones that give the most concern.

of the approx 900 that left these shores some 350 have returned and as I understand it.

The ones allowed back in I believe were involved in the fighting, but were either fighting with the Kurds or alongside many of the other factions involved in theatre e.g FSA, Hezbolla not ISIS.

In 2019 all returning fighters from the region were blocked from returning by the home office and I think some 100 have been stripped of their U.K. citizenship. The precedent is trying to uphold that 2019 ruling.

Well its not though, is it? Begum wasn't one of the fighters and if that is a ruling then its never been publicly admitted to, or tested legally. Letting her back in would do nothing except embarras the government.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Well its not though, is it? Begum wasn't one of the fighters and if that is a ruling then its never been publicly admitted to, or tested legally. Letting her back in would do nothing except embarras the government.

I agree, she’s no threat to anyone. The U.K. govt IMO is worried that if she won her right to return they would face a
deluge of legal challenges as others look to return.

 

[edge]

I agree, she’s no threat to anyone. The U.K. govt IMO is worried that if she won her right to return they would face a
deluge of legal challenges as others look to return.

That's the crux of the matter in this it's not just her.
Said this a while a go, she may or not be a danger are the others ?
Cant realistically see the government taking the chance.
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