Current Affairs Shemima Begum

[Tubey]

No Tubey - you become eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, and there should be no impediment to getting it, but the ultimate arbiter there is Bangladesh (who still say she isn't one of their citizens).

Also as I said above, if we'd rescinded her citizenship when she joined IS that would be one thing - but we didn't; we rescinded it when she'd left IS.

Section 5 of the Citizenship Act 1951 states that, a person born outside Bangladesh ‘shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent’ if either of his or her parents is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his or her birth.

Therefore, a person is automatically a citizen of Bangladesh at birth if either of his or her parents is a Bangladeshi citizen by birth (i.e. was born in Bangladesh).

So she's not stateless as she is eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, until the age of 21. Worth a read. Complicated but the law generally comes down on the side of the UK here.

Shamima Begum may be a Bangladeshi Citizen After All

In 2015, Ms Shamima Begum, then a 15-year-old British citizen living in London, travelled to Syria to join the so-called Islamic State. Her fate was unknown until recently when Ms Begum was discovered in a refugee camp in Syria. On 19 February 2019, the British Home Office in a letter delivered...

www.ejiltalk.org

 

[LEONARD]

From recent 'Human Rights Watch' for Bangladesh. She will feel right at home.

Women’s and Girls’ Rights​

Protests broke out nationwide calling on the government to reform and enforce Bangladeshi laws and practices concerning sexual assault after Nusrat Jahan Rafi, 19, was burned to death after she filed a complaint of attempted rape against her madrassa teacher. Authorities failed to properly enforce laws to protect women and girls and have yet to pass legislation on sexual harassment.



Bangladesh continues to have one of the highest rates of child marriage in the world. Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina committed to end marriage for girls under 15 by 2021, but there was little meaningful progress during the year. Instead, a special provision remained in effect that allows for child marriage in “special cases,” with permission of their parents and a court.

Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity​

Sexual and gender minorities remained under pressure and threat following the killing of two activists in 2016. The government failed to properly enforce policies protecting rights of hijras.

 

[Billy Dean]

 

[Tubey]

This isn't a race thing. First reply to that is "white privilege" - no, there's a difference; that lad didn't go and join a death cult in Syria. He was caught in the UK, tried in the UK.

Jack Letts stripped of British citizenship

Canada accuses UK of ‘offloading responsibilities’ over dual-national Isis recruit

www.theguardian.com

What has happened to Begum isn't new or just happening to "brown people".

 

[coollino]

Obscene, that at the time of the ongoing Manchester arena enquiry, we are even considering this.

Amazing that some many on the left now support the 'rights' of individuals like Begum.

She hates everything that OUR country stands for, tolerance. pluralism, freedom, and democracy.

If she ever steps down onto that tarmac at Heathrow, she would have the cheek to ask for political asylum.

What country are you talking about?

 

[dead_soft]

If you feel for her so much invite her to come live with you and support her and her kids financially so I dont have to out my taxes.

I couldnt care less if she was "groomed" soon as she joined a terrorist organisation on her own free will thats it over in my eyes.

As usual we look for excuses - well maybe the person who groomed her was groomed thenselves, and them by someone else and so on and so on - where is the line drawn?

Actions = consequences.

It is not about looking for excuses, it is about looking for reasons.

What does inviting her to live with me have to do with anything? Should we not release any prisoners until you are willing to put them in your spare room? Maybe it’s when you can share a bed with them?

Actions do have consequences. Actions of the state will have consequences but it seems you don’t agree with that?

 

[Blue 1]

The government don't give a flying one whether their actions are legal or not, nobody's going to do anything about it even if they do break the law, as we've seen time and time again.

All they give a crap about how it plays with The S*n and Daily Mail, as with pretty much everything they do.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Obscene, that at the time of the ongoing Manchester arena enquiry, we are even considering this.

Amazing that some many on the left now support the 'rights' of individuals like Begum.

She hates everything that OUR country stands for, tolerance. pluralism, freedom, and democracy.

If she ever steps down onto that tarmac at Heathrow, she would have the cheek to ask for political asylum.

And we wonder why the Tories have a free run at Government these days.

Sadly a good portion of the Left are completely out of touch.

 

[Blues Harp]

And we wonder why the Tories have a free run at Government these days.

Sadly a good portion of the Left are completely out of touch.

Like you would know about the "left"
Stick to togger lad....Oh wait....... lol lol

 

[coollino]

Like you would know about the "left"
Stick to togger lad....Oh wait....... lol

Please don't get him started on his 'far left' rambles, they are tragic.

 

[dead_soft]

And we wonder why the Tories have a free run at Government these days.

Sadly a good portion of the Left are completely out of touch.

Ah yes, that know leftie David Davis.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Obscene, that at the time of the ongoing Manchester arena enquiry, we are even considering this.

Amazing that some many on the left now support the 'rights' of individuals like Begum.

She hates everything that OUR country stands for, tolerance. pluralism, freedom, and democracy.

If she ever steps down onto that tarmac at Heathrow, she would have the cheek to ask for political asylum.

They aren't 'her' rights, they are the rights of everyone. You don't pick and choose legally who those rights belong to, because a decision made emotionally to deny the freedom of one person 'we don't like' has implications for everyone else in the UK.

It's not about protecting her rights, it's about protecting everyone's rights - unfortunately we don't get to ignore them or set them aside when they become inconvenient.

You're effectively applauding a decision where the supreme court has affirmed that the opinion of the home secretary is enough to determine removal of an individuals rights without charge; prosecution; trial; conviction or sentence.

Power to remove individual rights, based on opinion.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Section 5 of the Citizenship Act 1951 states that, a person born outside Bangladesh ‘shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent’ if either of his or her parents is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his or her birth.

Therefore, a person is automatically a citizen of Bangladesh at birth if either of his or her parents is a Bangladeshi citizen by birth (i.e. was born in Bangladesh).

So she's not stateless as she is eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, until the age of 21. Worth a read. Complicated but the law generally comes down on the side of the UK here.

Shamima Begum may be a Bangladeshi Citizen After All

In 2015, Ms Shamima Begum, then a 15-year-old British citizen living in London, travelled to Syria to join the so-called Islamic State. Her fate was unknown until recently when Ms Begum was discovered in a refugee camp in Syria. On 19 February 2019, the British Home Office in a letter delivered...

www.ejiltalk.org

Bangladesh have said they won't grant her it, she neither claims she is or actually has it. She is eligible.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Would you have her living next door to you?

You have Russia annexing parts of other countries, China covering up deadly virus' for once im glad if this country shown a bit of snide - screw her and anyone of her kind.

This country has enough scum residing in it without willingly taking in another who'll contribute nothing to us.

She knew the risks before leaving - actions = consequences.

Tough titty as my ma used to say.

For a 'centre-left' person who is strong on law and order, you don't seem to give two hoots about upholding the law.

 

[Bullens Rd]

I think she forfeited her human rights as soon as she affiliated herself with ISIS. What human rights does that organisation offer to the innocent people it captures, tortures and slaughters?

Sorry love, you can't come back from that kind of radicalisation. Let her rot where she is - any amount of taxpayers' money is too much to prosecute / protect / lock her up.

At the age of 15 you know right from wrong, and if you're old enough to travel out of the country without anybody knowing, you're old enough to understand the repercussions of joining a terrorist outfit.

I have no idea why she's allowed so many court appeals. She needs erasing from this country and have an international warrant put on her sorry ass so she's arrested if she dares try to enter another country. With a bit of luck she will wind up killing herself and doing everybody a favour.

I wholeheartedly disagree with people who say "but that's the law - they are her human rights". Human rights shouldn't apply to terrorists, which she most certainly is.