Current Affairs Shemima Begum

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Has she committed a crime under English law?
If she has she should be prosecuted and sentenced.

She's a British citizen who Britain has created and exported.

Tbh I think she's an absolute gobshite, but that's irrelevant to her citizenship.
 
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You are such a stupid man.

Would you have her living next door to you?

You have Russia annexing parts of other countries, China covering up deadly virus' for once im glad if this country shown a bit of snide - screw her and anyone of her kind.

This country has enough scum residing in it without willingly taking in another who'll contribute nothing to us.

She knew the risks before leaving - actions = consequences.

Tough titty as my ma used to say.
 
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Has she committed a crime under English law?
If she has she should be prosecuted and sentenced.

She's a British citizen who Britain has created and exported.

Tbh I think she's an absolute gobshite, but that's irrelevant to her citizenship.
Get what your saying mate, but she isn't a British citizen any more.
Might have a case for Pakistani citizenship via her family think they have dual citizenship or Swedish, I think via her dead husband being the father of her kids.
As it stands through her own actions she has lost her UK citizenship, and any rights under are law that come with it, by being classed as a terrorist, by virtue of her willingly travelling to join ISIS which is/ was a banned organization in the UK
She no longer under UK jurisdiction/protection ECT.
Mad state of affairs all around, hasn't helped herself along the way with the videos she put out when she was 19 showing no remorse.
She had two husbands that died for the ISIS cause, and she provided support to them to carry on fighting while they lived, and had children to further the aim of that organization to populate an Islamic nation.
She isn't an innocent victim on the side lines by any stretch of the imagination.
I can see where the government are coming from, as if they let her come back it sets an important precedent for any future cases, think its over 600 people the UK have stripped of citizenship, it would only need one to commit a terror attack on their return and everybody would be up in arms.
Let's not forget a lot of them would have in all probability been guilty of involved in fighting, killing and untold unspeakable atrocities, or at least knowingly helping to support others, to carry out those actions.
Something we in the UK would find extremely hard to find evidence for to try them under are justice system, how could we realistically get cast iron proof out of a chaotic war zone., they could have done anything.
Meaning other than them being a member of a banned organization, we would have nothing to prosecute them for, which would mean we eventually see them on are streets are some point. If the government did not take this action.
Is it worth risking lives here, like of those the young people and kids who were in the killed maimed in Manchester bombing,
Just to be seen to be somehow to be fair?.
It's the governments job to protect the citizens of this country (which she is no longer), if you or I had that power to take the decision would you take the risk of it going wrong, in this or any of the other cases that would follow if we let her return.
Glad I don't have that responsibility.
On balance, I can see both sides of the argument, but if pushed don't think the government cannot take the risk, it's not worth the gamble not just in her case but any others that might follow on after her if she won an appeal.(not that she has one as it stands,)
 
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Would you have her living next door to you?

You have Russia annexing parts of other countries, China covering up deadly virus' for once im glad if this country shown a bit of snide - screw her and anyone of her kind.

This country has enough scum residing in it without willingly taking in another who'll contribute nothing to us.

She knew the risks before leaving - actions = consequences.

Tough titty as my ma used to say.
This is a woman who CHOSE to go and join a barbaric organization that would take great joy if mine or your kids were killed in one of their terrorist attacks.

And yet we have people feeling sorry for her!! 'koff she should rot in hell.

Human rights! Dont make me laugh, its inhumane the acts these people are willing to carry out.
 
My issue with this is it seems like we’ve gone against all citizenship legislation in regards to her and her baby to simply make an example out of her for political gains.

You can’t choose when to and when to not apply the law.

In theory, the crimes she has committed have taken place in the countries they took place in.

She also committed crimes according to our law, but usually when crimes are committed abroad they are tried there and then deported after a sentence.

If we're talking national responsibility, then every criminal who commits a crime in the UK should be deported abroad to be sentenced and serve time in their home nation - which obviously doesn't happen. For example, Anne Sacoolas isn't going to stand trial in the USA for mowing down Jack Dunne, because the crime took place in the UK.

Plus, national security supercedes a lot of things. It's not just Begum; if you let her back, you open the door to letting a lot of dangerous people back in, given light sentences due to an overall lack of evidence apart from "you were there", and then they're back on the streets.

She should probably face justice here, but I don't think that's the initial thing to do and with nothing in place to bring these to justice abroad for being members of ISIS, the result is limbo in these camps. I can see the justification for the ruling - just about.
 
Would you have her living next door to you?

You have Russia annexing parts of other countries, China covering up deadly virus' for once im glad if this country shown a bit of snide - screw her and anyone of her kind.

This country has enough scum residing in it without willingly taking in another who'll contribute nothing to us.

She knew the risks before leaving - actions = consequences.

Tough titty as my ma used to say.

No one has ever suggested that she should be free to live wherever she chooses and face no consequences for her actions.

‘Showing a bit of snide’ isn’t exactly key to a great nation, I’d suggest.

You’re so desperate to froth at the mouth over anything that you can’t make anything close to a coherent argument or judgement
 
No one has ever suggested that she should be free to live wherever she chooses and face no consequences for her actions.

‘Showing a bit of snide’ isn’t exactly key to a great nation, I’d suggest.

You’re so desperate to froth at the mouth over anything that you can’t make anything close to a coherent argument or judgement

The key to a great nation is one that protects its people and listens to its people.

1. She's a threat

2. The majority dont want her back

The opposite to a great nation I reckon is one ran by holier than thou elitists like yourself who'll happily put the lives of the every day Joe at risk by having people like this on our streets just so you can appear all uber liberal.

And as usual the out of touch upper middle class judges / parole boards / politicians don't have to worry about when these people have served their few years behind bars as they wont be rehomed/relocated to some middle class suburbs no they'll be relocated in a council estate to go and run down /ruin lives for the local working class plebs who supposedly these liberals "care" about..
 
The key to a great nation is one that protects its people and listens to its people.

1. She's a threat

2. The majority dont want her back

The opposite to a great nation I reckon is one ran by holier than thou elitists like yourself who'll happily put the lives of the every day Joe at risk by having people like this on our streets just so you can appear all uber liberal.

And as usual the out of touch upper middle class judges / parole boards / politicians don't have to worry about when these people have served their few years behind bars as they wont be rehomed/relocated to some middle class suburbs no they'll be relocated in a council estate to go and run down /ruin lives for the local working class plebs who supposedly these liberals "care" about..

I swear you are a bot that someone just adds a few keywords and a subject to.
 
Just find it odd that out of all the other British people who went to fight with ISIS, and the hundreds that have returned, the government gets a hard on a women who was was 15 years old when she went. Odd line in the sand moment.
Dangerous precedent which in time will have unintended consequences... Will be a good vault moment too.
 
Just find it odd that out of all the other British people who went to fight with ISIS, and the hundreds that have returned, the government gets a hard on a women who was was 15 years old when she went. Odd line in the sand moment.
Dangerous precedent which in time will have unintended consequences... Will be a good vault moment too.
She’s a convenient scapegoat to appease the masses who want blood
 
Right. She made her bed
Wrong in my opinion. Nothing to do with the girl herself. She hasn't even shown any remorse for her actions and deserves no charity in my eyes. If we could I'd happily revoke the passports of any British person who goes off to join any terrorist organisation.

But this is a question of International law. It is illegal to leave an individual stateless and just because she has parents of Bangladeshi heritage doesn't change the fact she is British. If we're going to retain any semblance of credibility within the International community, and be in a position to criticise other nation states that do defy international Law, well we can't be law breakers ourselves. And by doing this we are leaving ourselves open to such accusations.

I also believe we could have a moral duty and responsibility here. If she is guilty of crimes she needs to be held responsible. That will not happen where she is now because there is no effective law in Syria.
 
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