Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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Zatara said:
Any negatives should be kept in house. If SAF was manager Jags baines and Barry would all be sold...

Very poor and just shows theres no leadership in the team and thats down to Martinez not signing a captain.
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I'd agree 100% with that...or as Jags would say "yes, definitely"
 
It's that rarest of things a sensible post on RAWK!This is a Liverpools fans take on Martinez.

The Liverpool-Everton game once again showed the utmost importance of the manager's role. Go back to the start of the season, and many would argue that Everton squad is better than Liverpool squad. Lukaku, a superb talent, a better goalscorer than everything Liverpool had (bar may be ever injured Sturridge, but realistically, even including him). They had the likes of Stones, Coleman, Baines, Barkley etc. At the same time, Liverpool squad looked in a dire need of changes. Coutinho aside, the squad looked decidedly average.

Fast forward, Liverpool utterly dominate and destroy Everton. What is the reason? For me, the clear answer is Martinez is terrible and Klopp is great right now. I honestly think if Klopp was coaching Everton, Everton would be ahead of Liverpool in the standings.

Martinez is a weird case. He really is a product of England and English coaching/management approach. The fact that he buys South Americans and tend to have teams that are attack-oriented and [Poor language removed] at the back gets mistaken as his Spanish approach. He hasn't managed in Spain, nor has he worked as an assistant coach for one of the well-known Spanish or South American coaches like Bielsa. Pochettino, for example, can claim a more "Spanish approach" coach although he is from Argentina originally. Even he doesn't have this terrible brainless gung-ho football in his head like Martinez does. In short, I attribute Martinez mistakes to himself.

He really is a poor coach. So far, he has done the right thing and tried to stay in England for his coaching/managerial career. Not only does he get paid more in England, but I honestly think he wouldn't survive in La Liga for more than a season.
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Thacko said:
Picture the scene: Moyes comes back on a tiny contract until the end of the season, wins the cup, does a managerial mic drop and leaves. Enter Pellegrini/Jose/whoever to usher in a new era of success.

We'd love it, right?
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Just seen the name of Pelligrini's agent. Jesus Martinez. I suppose, after his first season in charge, we thought Martinez was performing miracles - now, it's more a case of Jesus! Martinez, get the hell out of our club!
 
Cork Evertonian said:
It's that rarest of things a sensible post on RAWK!This is a Liverpools fans take on Martinez.
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I know most think our situation is hilarious but I honestly feel that some RS fans feel sorry for us. After all, many of them will have members of their family who are suffering along with us. Whoever that was should contribute to our forums because he/she talks our language!
 
Besides still being livid from last night and I was at the 5-0 at home back in 82. I still don't have much to add besides venom and anger.

The only thing I would say at the moment is Everton are being held hostage to Bill Kenwright's ego.

I thought long and hard about whether Martinez could possibly overturn last nights complete and utter surrender and turn it around for Saturday. The justification and reasoning for keeping him on. I can't come up with an answer, he should have been sacked, cup manager or not.

Any Everton manager who goes to that place and fields a team that abjectly surrenders not once but twice there, has to be sacked. Irrespective of where we are in the cup. Our tradition and motto demand it. There is only one man who is responsible for undermining that legacy and it's Kenwright.

Profiteering out of Everton is one thing. I guess you could call it business after all. But standing by while Evertonians are humiliated, in my book that's unforgivable. Any leeway that I would afforded him has completely gone. No Evertonian would stand for that. He's a treacherous coward, a black mark on our fine club. Take your feckin' millions you've made out of us and feck off down to London. You're no Evertonian mate.
 
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Sentinel said:
Besides still being livid from last night and I was at the 5-0 at home back in 82. I still don't have much to add besides venom and anger.

The only thing I would say at the moment is Everton are being held hostage to Bill Kenwright's ego.

I thought long and hard about whether Martinez could possibly overturn last nights complete and utter surrender and turn it around for Saturday. The justification and reasoning for keeping him on. I can't come up with an answer, he should have been sacked, cup manager or not.

Any Everton manager who goes to that place and fields a team that abjectly surrenders not once but twice there, has to be sacked. Irrespective of where we are in the cup. Our tradition and motto demand it. There is only one man who is responsible for undermining that legacy and it's Kenwright.

Profiteering out of Everton is one thing. I guess you could call it business after all. But standing by while Evertonians are humiliated, in my book that's unforgivable. Any leeway that I would afforded him has completely gone. No Evertonian would stand for that. He's a treacherous coward, a black mark on our fine club. Take your feckin' millions you've made out of us and feck off down to London. You're no Evertonian mate.
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Nailed it
 
He has to go and he has to go today, or we will get snotted tomorrow.

The negativity he has created throughout the club, from the fans down to the players, is like cancer spreading like wildfire and I just can't see how this clown is going to make this horrible feeling amongst us all change for the game tomorrow.
Maybe only copious amounts of alcohol can lift us!!

Sack him now!! Get Unsworth and Sheeds in that dressing room to get them going, even bring a couple of legends in, Peter Reid, Kevin Rats, just someone to give the players a boost and the fans.

I have woke up this morning feeling lost!!! (Can ya tell!!)

*Rant over
 
It really isn't going to be good for him to lead the team out tomorrow. It'll be insulting to the majority of supporters there and it takes some front to believe he has earned that right and if it is just Kenwright being sentimental then that is insulting too.

Just have to remember that none of Martinez, Kenwright, Moshiri, Stones, Lukaku or any other member of staff is Everton FC, we are, the supporters. Support yourselves.
 
Face it, he is walking us out in wembley. Lost all total respect for the man by him not handing his resignation in. A decent man would see what he is doing and walk. Not like he needs the money by hanging on to his job waiting to be sacked.

Turning point for me was Southampton away last season, losing 3-0 and didn't make a single sub. Once the fans have turned on you there is no going back. The silence from the players (apart from joel) says it all in my opinion. And that reaction from brakley being subed spoke volumes
 
I'm not convinced about Pellegrini, he is massively underachieving with City, he thinks it's ok to go into four competitions with two strikers, he is another one who bottles it every year at Anfield, he even managed to lose a cup final to Wigan, deservedly too. I know he won the league but that was in big part down to the RS cocking it up. But he is still an upgradelol
 
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