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Martinez in or out?

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A Championship Manager managing Champions League / Europa League quality players.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing; we employed a manager who had just been relegated.

TBH I was using "If you hire Championship personel, you'll end up in Championship" right from the start and I do have evidence for that. His performance at Wigan was so... Martinez. I have to confess though that his first season with us almost fooled me too.
 
I know we had huge problems prior to the Chelsea QF, but I think since that game his management has just been astoundingly lazy.

He's banged on about reaching the Semi Final every chance he's gotten, as if to claim sole responsibility for this "phenomenal achievement". he's completely allowed the players to lose all motivation in the league and has let it slide to the point where we look like we can't beat anyone and are incompetent in all areas on the pitch.

So 6 games, 0 wins and 2 goals later we are in a position where we have to drag a depleted squad from 0 to 60 by Saturday or face being humiliated again. We need to pull a monumental effort out from absolutely nothing, and it isn't going to happen with this man on the touchline.
 
Changed my vote from 'in' to 'out.' Shown him enough patience, but now it's gone on long enough. It's not good enough, and that last night was an absolute shambles.

He's clearly lost the players. There's very little support left amongst the fans. Just can't see anyway back for him now.

You put up a good fight, Myth.

One of us! One of us!
 
Progress check for April.
Not going very well to be honest

So, (it's a tad negative so apologies)

Imagine this

we lose to ManU away - LOST 1-0. Both teams terrible. We visibly CBA. Basic cross not cleared and a tap in at the far post for their goal
We lose to Watford away - DREW 1-1. Bainesgate. Banners all over. 2 x basic defensive errors lead to their goal 1 min after ours
We lose to Palace away - DREW 0-0. McCarthy sent off. "Incredibly satisfying" point
We lose to Southampton at home - DREW 1-1. Backs to the wall at home vs Southampton (18 shots to our 7). "incredible fight to get a positive result". Fan tries to get to him

We lose the game against them - LOST 4-0. Absolute bloodbath. Lucky to keep it down to just 4. Funes Mori sent off. Still numb
We lose the semi

Through the same frailties.

That's a lot of stick or twist points all in the same month.

Say 12th becomes 15th.
Stick for another season or twist?

For me, he's got to get at least 6 points from the league and through the semi final to get that pass. He gets to keep his job if he wins the Cup, otherwise after any of those matches, he could get the chop - Any heavy / West Ham like losses or losing the semi final and I think the clamor for his little head will become deafening
And that's his issue - he is living on borrowed time now, one catastrophe away from his P45

Equally, we are capable of winning the lot, depending on which Everton turn up
 
He's still in charge by the looks. To me, if it wasn't last night or this morning he ain't getting the boot until after the semi final at the earliest. The club won't want all the drama that goes with a sacking on the eve of Wembley. So it looks like we'll be stuck with him for a few more days at least.
 
I know, but it makes no sense. We don't exactly stand a better chance with him managing us for that game, than we do with anyone else. Literally anyone, make Hibbert interim manager and we'd probably perform better on the day

I agree, I think we'd do better if he was sacked today. Just like martinez' attitude was a breath of fresh air for the players at the time, from that of Moyes. Many of them appear to have lost confidence in him and the team, and I think a new face with a less phenomenal approach to Saturday may get more from the players.

Big Dunc and Joe Royle would certainly tell a few home truths and maybe get some fight out of the players. At the minute the fight has been taken from them, as none of them appear to know their role on the pitch.
 
Four league games won in the last twenty.
Defence leaking goals that would embarrass Evostick players.
Surrendering at Anfield, Old Trafford and mostly Goodison.
Players not responding to his motivational techniques.
Fans in the depths of despair two days before an FA Cup semi-final.

Why is he still here?
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...erto-martinez-becomes---the-butt-of-the-joke/
Everton manager Roberto Martinez becomes the butt of the joke as Liverpool thrash neighbours
  • Jim White Anfield
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21 April 2016 • 6:57am

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It was a chastening evening for Roberto Martinez Credit: ACTION IMAGES
After a game in which his team demonstrated all the resolve and battling spirit of a damp paper bag, Roberto Martínez faced up to his media responsibilities with his customary dignity. If only his team had shown the same character out on the Anfield pitch. If only his tactics and preparations were as admirable as his public persona.

“A horrible, horrible experience for everyone connected to the football club,” was his assessment of what must be the most humiliating derby defeat in Everton’s recent history. “Everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong. Nobody deserves to be in that chain of events.” You can only feel for the Everton manager.

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Liverpool celebrated what Martínez later described as a 'horrible experience' for Evertonians
Needing to demonstrate effectively to his club’s followers this week that he is the man to take his club on, that he has a plan, that he is in charge, by the end of this match he was standing alone in his technical area, arms folded, silent, woebegone, staring down the barrel of his own demise. Here’s how bad it was: as the opposition supporters mockingly chanted his name, around Anfield he had become a joke figure.

But then he cannot have been surprised. He has been heading in this direction for some time. Rarely in the history of this derby have the two teams approached the encounter in such contrasting mood. This may have been the battle of the semi-finalists, two clubs with half a mind on impending last-four encounters, but there was just one problem for those of a blue persuasion: all the excitement, passion and zest here was generated by their opponents.

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Martínez heads toward the tunnel following his side's humiliation Credit: rex features
After the breathless drama of victory over Dortmund last week, a result achieved in the proper Liverpool way, around Anfield there is a bounce in the collective step. In the shadow of the giant stand nearing completion, those on the red side are convinced by their manager. Behind Jürgen Klopp’s expansive grin they only see progress, advancement, good things. The Europa League semi against Villarreal next Thursday is but a staging post in the upward march.

For the blue side, things are altogether darker. Optimism is no longer currency around Goodison. Amongst Evertonians, Saturday’s FA Cup semi-final is a tipping point, now the last chance for their manager to deliver with a team that has been woefully under-achieving under his control. The blue side have lost patience with the growing gap between talk and delivery. Klopp is reckoned the real thing by his following; Martínez regarded as a vessel rapidly emptying.

And the pattern of the game followed the trajectory of the respective managers. In a five-minute burst at the end of the first half, Klopp’s Liverpool tore a further hole in Martínez’s bluster. Their gander up, they overwhelmed an unhappy, demotivated Everton.

Martínez could have no excuse in his line-up. Like Klopp, he had picked his strongest available side. And here they were being systematically dismantled. The extent of their haplessness was demonstrated when Ramiro Funes Mori, who had looked an accident waiting to happen throughout the first half, was dispatched from the pitch for a wretchedly ill-timed assault on Divock Origi with forty minutes still remaining. An assault he compounded by beating his chest to the Everton fans as he left the pitch, as if he had done something around which they should rally.

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Ramiro Funes Mori was handed a straight red card for his challenge on Divock Origi Credit: action images
And how the Liverpool followers enjoyed their neighbours’ gathering dismay.

“You haven’t won a trophy since 1995,” chorused the Kop, delighting in the rapidly diminishing standing of their rivals.

This is what hurts Evertonians, that a season which promised so much is slipping away like candyfloss in a shower. How, they wonder, can a team featuring such talents as John Stones, Ross Barkley and Romelu Lukaku under-perform on such a regular basis? And here they were demonstrating the issues.

There was Stones, a defender Chelsea were prepared to break the bank to acquire last summer, leaden-footed as he was easily out-jumped for the first goal. There was Lukaku shown up by his compatriot Origi’s hunger and initiative. And there was Barkley suffering the final indignity of being substituted for Tom Cleverley. No wonder he looked fed up as he made his way to the bench.



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Everton supporters started toe evening off in good spirits Credit: AP
The Evertonians in the Anfield Road end had begun with a show of loyalty, insisting they were on the march with Bobby’s army. But their presence became ever less evident as Liverpool grew in ascendancy. When the substitute Daniel Sturridge supplied a sublime finish to score the third goal with half an hour remaining, they were pouring for the exits, waved on their way by jubilant crowing from the other end of the stadium. By the time the fourth rattled the netting, there were few remaining to face the scorn. Even their directors had left the posh seats.

But those who stayed on knew who to blame. At the final whistle, the last few standing bellowed their invective in the direction of the technical area. Martínez, though, appeared unmoved, alone with his thoughts. “It is not about my job,” he suggested afterwards. Another showing like this on Saturday and it almost certainly will be.
 
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