Right now this club is a shambles

[Bud McBlokeski]

I'm trying to think of a positive.

There are some small motes of light in this darkness we are experiencing. They are:

• Jordan Pickford
• Nikola Vlašić
• Ademola Lookman
• Seamus Coleman on the way back

It's not all doom and gloom. Koeman will either turn it around or he will be off.

 

[Joey66]

The club is a shambles and lots needs to be done. The silence is deafening but to compare it to Walter smith days or mike walker is laughable. It's bad but its not that bad.

Not far off from the smith years tbh - no recognised experienced centre forward - our first shots on goal take 30 minutes in fact our defence looks worse!

 

[D410]

I think relegation is a real possibility.

Given our current form and the complete negligence from the board. It,s possible it really is and that terrifies me.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Buck stops with the manager. Always. To his credit even Koeman has accepted that since last night's game.

Amazingly, you never held that view with Martinez eh? Kenwright was the fall guy then...

On transfers - it's not as simple, Koeman operates under a completely different setup than other managers enjoyed before him.

When we signed Bolasie, Moshiri was quick to stress the chairman, himself and Steve Walsh was keen to press forward and further support Koeman.

For me, it feels like there's too many decision makers involved in transfers.

 

[Joey66]

Given our current form and the complete negligence from the board. It,s possible it really is and that terrifies me.

I thought if we lost our better players in Lukaku and Ross and we did not invest wisely we would struggle - but the dross served up and the replacements are woeful - no sense to buy pace and a goalscorer??????????????

 

[Kiwi]

Not just that, we needed a striker even with Lukaku here. Repeated windows we failed to bring in key positions.

Go back to Lucas Perez etc and that interview when Moshiri went through all the names Koeman asked for but we failed - Koulibaly, Sissoko etc - even Depay.

Aye well as I said in the DCL thread he should never have been first or even second choice going into the season. Think it's been a consistent theme of failing to bring in the key players the manager wants, and identify alternatives to bring in if that fails to succeed. That said Koeman still has to bear a lot of the blame for how the team is playing.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Aye well as I said in the DCL thread he should never have been first or even second choice going into the season. Think it's been a consistent theme of failing to bring in the key players the manager wants, and identify alternatives to bring in if that fails to succeed. That said Koeman still has to bear a lot of the blame for how the team is playing.

Definitely, though I do wonder how much his setup is influenced by having nobody of quality upfront.

How much does that damage confidence throughout the team, the self belief that we have someone of quality to do the business in the final third would help throughout.

 

[davek]

Amazingly, you never held that view with Martinez eh? Kenwright was the fall guy then...

On transfers - it's not as simple, Koeman operates under a completely different setup than other managers enjoyed before him.

When we signed Bolasie, Moshiri was quick to stress the chairman, himself and Steve Walsh was keen to press forward and further support Koeman.

For me, it feels like there's too many decision makers involved in transfers.

There may well be a lot involved in transfers, but are we really going to believe that players like Klaassen dont have Koeman's prints all over them? Or the pursuit of Sigurdsson who he was a long term admirer of?

Re Martinez: he had to go. His brand of football couldn't be sustained at a club with the players we have. He was a dreamer to think he could continue the progress after that first season - a season that stands out like a beacon since the 80s for football. But Martinez had a plan. A method. Koeman is drifting from one game to another with no identity for this team. No one has the foggiest about what he's seeking to achieve on the pitch. It's a different kettle of fish altogether.

 

[D410]

I thought if we lost our better players in Lukaku and Ross and we did not invest wisely we would struggle - but the dross served up and the replacements are woeful - no sense to buy pace and a goalscorer??????????????

The transfer window was a shocker no doubt but this fella has turned up and tried to run a football club from a golf course. His brother can,t get his methods and tactics through to the players on the training ground. This board are to embarrassed to sack him...the fans well.

 

[Kiwi]

Definitely, though I do wonder how much his setup is influenced by having nobody of quality upfront.

How much does that damage confidence throughout the team, the self belief that we have someone of quality to do the business in the final third would help throughout.

Agreed. You look at Koeman, all of his successful seasons he has a big man up top to play off. Hard to build attacks when you don't have a front man like that, especially when your style of play is built around that.
Think he's not necessarily a bad manager but he will bear the brunt of our summer failings.

 

[Joey66]

The transfer window was a shocker no doubt but this fella has turned up and tried to run a football club from a golf course. His brother can,t get his methods and tactics through to the players on the training ground. This board are to embarrassed to sack him...the fans well.

In Bold over 200 million of a shocker!

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

I think the lack of pressure from the media is just as bad as the silence from the club. If he was doing this at one of the Sky 6 there would be calls for his head. Wenger loses one game and he's crucified. The club don't need to release an official statment on the managers position because no one is putting pressure on them to do so except for us fans and they haven't communicated with us for donkeys years.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

There may well be a lot involved in transfers, but are we really going to believe that players like Klaassen dont have Koeman's prints all over them? Or the pursuit of Sigurdsson who he was a long term admirer of?

Re Martinez: he had to go. His brand of football couldn't be sustained at a club with the players we have. He was a dreamer to think he could continue the progress after that first season - a season that stands out like a beacon since the 80s for football. But Martinez had a plan. A method. Koeman is drifting from one game to another with no identity for this team. No one has the foggiest about what he's seeking to achieve on the pitch. It's a different kettle of fish altogether.

I DID IT

 

[Yarrgh]

• Worst team in a generation
• Worst football in a generation
• Worst manager in a generation
• Our best player hounded out to the margins of the club
• Good young players going backwards in their development
• Players embarrassing the club on the pitch in front of the whole of the continent
• Biggest transfer war-chest in the club's history flushed down the toilet
• Ineffective leadership off the pitch from the club chairman, CEO and owner
• Stadium situation looking less than green for go

We've stepped back in a time machine and this is the late 90s again.

Good young players not being given enough support, but I don't know if they are going backwards in their development - though if they are left exposed too much longer, then they might well be. Our youth set-up seems to be in good shape in general.

However, I agree with the sentiment on all the other points.

 

[Khalekan]

fixed that for you.

Four actually, Degs.

Walter was here four years, believe it or not