Reality check: are we small-time?

[Chang Elephant]

My poll was better and contained 30% less RS

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Anyone with even half a knowledge of football would say we're a big club. Those that have bothered to read up on football and not the plastic fans of today, that is. Of which there are thankfully still many.

So to the people that actually matter, the REAL football fans, then yes, of course we're a big club.

 

[Allezfan]

Anyone with even half a knowledge of football would say we're a big club. Those that have bothered to read up on football and not the plastic fans of today, that is. Of which there are thankfully still many.

So to the people that actually matter, the REAL football fans, then yes, of course we're a big club.

But even the plastics can look at a table. We're 6th.

 

[Azzurri]

I click on another random thread and the first post I see is dholliday telling someone that if Moyes stays it's stagnation and 'smacks of small time'.

Bad Kopite WUM, deffo.

 

[dholliday]

It's about getting us to agree that Everton are a small club.

in a way, it's about mentally preparing us for not being able to attract the best managers in the game. And from that then trying to move up to the next level.

Understanding the differences between a:

- historically-big club
- top-10 Premiership club
- contemporary Big Club

might be important. The song says 2-out-of-3 ain't bad, but I want it all.

Wishing it to be true won't make it happen. Going all-out to employ the most-talented manager & coaching staff possible will make it happen. Hopefully Bill reads this and decides he wants us to be a Big Club. If he is happy with 2-out-of-3, and the fans are happy believing we are what we aren't, then we're not gonna see much improvement.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

But even the plastics can look at a table. We're 6th.

There's many a tittish plastic who would say anyone outside the top 4 is smalltime. Which was who my post was alluding to.

 

[tsubaki]

big club / small club debates are something that kopites and city fans should indulge in, not us

For instance - Civil Service FC have existed for more than 150 years as an amateur side, rarely winning anything and actually helped to invented modern football via founding the FA, as well as modern rugby union via founding the RFU.

 

[davek]

in a way, it's about mentally preparing us for not being able to attract the best managers in the game. And from that then trying to move up to the next level.

Understanding the differences between a:

- historically-big club
- top-10 Premiership club
- contemporary Big Club

might be important. The song says 2-out-of-3 ain't bad, but I want it all.

Wishing it to be true won't make it happen. Going all-out to employ the most-talented manager & coaching staff possible will make it happen. Hopefully Bill reads this and decides he wants us to be a Big Club. If he is happy with 2-out-of-3, and the fans are happy believing we are what we aren't, then we're not gonna see much improvement.

At least we're not Liverpool with their history though.

 

[TraffordBlue]

I've not read much of the thread but in my eyes we are a massive club that is run terribly. We have the potential to be the 4th biggest club in England and in a lot of ways we are, but the way we are run and have been since the late 80's has been shambolic. We have never gone on to be the club we should have been and part of it is down to Heysel whether people will admit it or not. Imagine other successful English clubs in England being banned for 5 years as they were coming in to their peak. I don't intend to be bitter but if that had happened to other clubs then Forest wouldn't have their 2 European Cups, Liverpool wouldn't have had 3 of their 5 European Cups and Chelsea wouldn't have won the Europa League or European Cup in the last 2 years. People conveniently choose to ignore this about us. Of course what we could have achieved is all down to ifs and buts but it would have been nice to see where we would be as a club today if we had been able to progress as we were on course to do from 1985 onwards.

The other reason as I have mentioned before is the shambolic way we have been run since 1985. Other English clubs were banned including Man United but they got over it and were run how they should have been. History only matters to fans of clubs like ours because we like to remember what we have achieved and quite rightly so. But to the media, modern day Sky fans and potential buyers it means **** all. We have no money to spend on new players unless we sell our best, we have an ancient stadium and haven't won a trophy for 18 years. Goodison was the best ground in the country for decades and is still the only English club ground to host a World Cup Semi Final (I think that shows what an important club we have been in the past) but look at it now. It's well past its best and the capacity is under 40,000 with loads of obstructed views. That's not big enough or acceptable for a club our size with the fanbase we have. We don't fill our ground because of the state of the stadium, our support being one of the poorest in the country and the fact we haven't won anything for 18 years. You only have to look at our away support to see how big a club we are. We took 3,000 to Arsenal mid week, 2,500 to Southampton and 2,000 odd to Newcastle. How many other clubs in the country would be able to do that?

So to summarise, no we're not a small time club, but the way we are run is similar to how a lower division side should be run.

 

[bluelife]

Everton are the 6th biggest team in the biggest league in the world. they are not small time, anyone who says otherwise is either trying to wind a fan up or ineducated.

Everton are not big time at the moment. They probably won't be for a few moments to come.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Wishing it to be true won't make it happen. Going all-out to employ the most-talented manager & coaching staff possible will make it happen. Hopefully Bill reads this and decides he wants us to be a Big Club. If he is happy with 2-out-of-3, and the fans are happy believing we are what we aren't, then we're not gonna see much improvement.

How do you explaining successful New York financiers employing Brendan ? An admission by Fenway that LFC are now small time, or that Fenway want LFC to be small time, can be the only objective conclusions using your logic.

 

[dholliday]

I click on another random thread and the first post I see is dholliday telling someone that if Moyes stays it's stagnation and 'smacks of small time'.

Bad Kopite WUM, deffo.

Kopite again? Isn't that getting boring now?


Regarding Moyes: you think keeping Moyes would have led to improvements rather than the same old top-8 with the odd cup run?

I didn't see any way forward with Moyes, tho' to be fair to him I didn't see he'd lead us backwards either.

For us to regularly qualify in the Champions League and win the odd cup we need to move up a level. We need to show the outside world we're a genuinely big club, so that the great & the good want to come here.

We need a new Chief Executive who is ambitious and who will kick off processes that improve our status.

In terms of status, we're not amongst the biggest clubs in England, nevermind Europe. We're arguably on par with Villa & Newcastle, but behind the top 5 + Liverpool.

Maybe the first step to this improvement we need is for us, the fans, to accept we're not a big club. From that comes pressure to the board that we need to aggressively work on this. From that comes a new Chief Exec and a Director of Football who improves our global reach and ensures we employ only high-end coaching staff. From that maybe comes Champions League qualification and a clear path to reclaiming Big Club status.

That's how Man Utd, Spurs and Arsenal have kicked on. It doesn't necessarily need huge money input like how Man City & Chelsea did it.


If we can get to that stage, then comes title challenges and a shot at European Cups.


But before all that, must come the reality check...


...that's my theory anyway.

 

[dholliday]

no we're not a small time club, but the way we are run is similar to how a lower division side should be run.

Good post, EFC78...I concur with all of it. Like I said in my last post we should headhunt an ambitious Chief Exec and Director of Football who can help us kick on.

Everton are the 6th biggest team in the biggest league in the world. they are not small time, anyone who says otherwise is either trying to wind a fan up or ineducated.

Everton are not big time at the moment. They probably won't be for a few moments to come.

I didn't say we were small-time, either. It looks like we both voted for cheese on toast.

How do you explaining successful New York financiers employing Brendan ? An admission by Fenway that LFC are now small time, or that Fenway want LFC to be small time, can be the only objective conclusions using your logic.

So Liverpool look like they're losing their contemporary Big Club status. I'd say that's a good thing, no?

 

[dholliday]

big club / small club debates are something that kopites and city fans should indulge in, not us

For instance - Civil Service FC have existed for more than 150 years as an amateur side, rarely winning anything and actually helped to invented modern football via founding the FA, as well as modern rugby union via founding the RFU.

Sooo...you're saying we should just be content that we exist?

We're having this debate to explain away why our realistic contenders for the top job appear to be of a quality which wouldn't interest top-5 clubs (of any major league).

 

[Chang Elephant]

So Liverpool look like they're losing their contemporary Big Club status. I'd say that's a good thing, no?

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