Reality check: are we small-time?

[tsubaki]

Sooo...you're saying we should just be content that we exist?

We're having this debate to explain away why our realistic contenders for the top job appear to be of a quality which wouldn't interest top-5 clubs (of any major league).

no, i am saying that fans who obsess over whether "their" club is big or not miss the point.

we are everton. if random managerial candidates want to go and spend some billionaires money buying trophies rather than managing us, then let them.

 

[dholliday]

no, i am saying that fans who obsess over whether "their" club is big or not miss the point.

we are everton. if random managerial candidates want to go and spend some billionaires money buying trophies rather than managing us, then let them.

I agree with that sentiment.

What about if random managerial candidates want to have a chance of winning trophies and competing in the Champions League rather than managing us, should we also let that slide or should we think about why they aren't considering us?

 

[Quim]

Is this dholiday character for real

 

[dannyboy]

I've not read much of the thread but in my eyes we are a massive club that is run terribly. We have the potential to be the 4th biggest club in England and in a lot of ways we are, but the way we are run and have been since the late 80's has been shambolic. We have never gone on to be the club we should have been and part of it is down to Heysel whether people will admit it or not. Imagine other successful English clubs in England being banned for 5 years as they were coming in to their peak. I don't intend to be bitter but if that had happened to other clubs then Forest wouldn't have their 2 European Cups, Liverpool wouldn't have had 3 of their 5 European Cups and Chelsea wouldn't have won the Europa League or European Cup in the last 2 years. People conveniently choose to ignore this about us. Of course what we could have achieved is all down to ifs and buts but it would have been nice to see where we would be as a club today if we had been able to progress as we were on course to do from 1985 onwards.

The other reason as I have mentioned before is the shambolic way we have been run since 1985. Other English clubs were banned including Man United but they got over it and were run how they should have been. History only matters to fans of clubs like ours because we like to remember what we have achieved and quite rightly so. But to the media, modern day Sky fans and potential buyers it means **** all. We have no money to spend on new players unless we sell our best, we have an ancient stadium and haven't won a trophy for 18 years. Goodison was the best ground in the country for decades and is still the only English club ground to host a World Cup Semi Final (I think that shows what an important club we have been in the past) but look at it now. It's well past its best and the capacity is under 40,000 with loads of obstructed views. That's not big enough or acceptable for a club our size with the fanbase we have. We don't fill our ground because of the state of the stadium, our support being one of the poorest in the country and the fact we haven't won anything for 18 years. You only have to look at our away support to see how big a club we are. We took 3,000 to Arsenal mid week, 2,500 to Southampton and 2,000 odd to Newcastle. How many other clubs in the country would be able to do that?

So to summarise, no we're not a small time club, but the way we are run is similar to how a lower division side should be run.

Great post. I was on the back row of the Gwladys Street at the weekend and paid £34 for the privilege. It's akin to watching the game through a letter box and of course I wouldn't have done it if it hadn't been Moyes last game.

Once the attendance gets past 35k the other 5k seats just aren't worth buying in my opinion, unless it's a really big game.

 

[Bluenose1995]

sadly YES

 

[Azzurri]

Honest to God.


If you think Everton are a small club then you're a f*cking moron.

 

[dholliday]

Honest to God.


If you think Everton are a small club then you're a f*cking moron.

EDIT: do you mean the 23 who voted "small-time"?

I didn't vote that way, just so we're clear

 

[Azzurri]

deary me...who are you calling a moron and who on this thread is actually calling us a small club?


There's only one moron in this exchange, laddy.

There was no exchange until you commented.

Who in this thread is calling us a small club? Dunno... Err... Maybe the 23 who voted 'yes, we are a small club'.

 

[dholliday]

There was no exchange until you commented.

Who in this thread is calling us a small club? Dunno... Err... Maybe the 23 who voted 'yes, we are a small club'.

ah shiiit, i edited my comment just as you were writing yours.

i thought you were calling me a frakkin moron.

 

[dholliday]

this thread is obviously causing a bit of strife.

shall we ask a mod to lock it?

 

[Bluenose1995]

theirs a difference between a small club and small time,

we are a big club with a small time owner and mentality, hence the ****e managers we are lined up with, now compare that to the list for next man citeh manager and its like night and day, lennon, poyet and stubbs for us, and mourinho, perregrini, and klopp for them...

 

[Azzurri]

theirs a difference between a small club and small time,

we are a big club with a small time owner and mentality, hence the ****e managers we are lined up with, now compare that to the list for next man citeh manager and its like night and day, lennon, poyet and stubbs for us, and mourinho, perregrini, and klopp for them...

Money, though.

Although I agree that the owner and board have a small time mentality, there's not much they can do if they just haven't got money to fund transfers.

 

[Bacon On]

Who gives a ****?

We've got a reputation in England for being a classy club ever present in the top flight, if you check the 'first to do' list it shows we were the first to have a purpose built football stadium, First club to be presented with the League Championship trophy, First club to go on an overseas football tour and ofcourse, First club to win the league at Anfield (although that ones for the undercover kopites on here, koff ya beauts).

Everton have set the benchmark for how every football club on the planet now operate, we're like the big bang that formed the world of soccer, we've been the best team in the world more then once. How the actual **** can Everton be small time? I'm Everton, we're all part of one of the greatest clubs to ever grace the game that's united millions, helped many players out of poverty for them to invest money into facilities in their home countries, gave generation after generation goosebumps and a way to express passion, Everton have been there right from the begining helping to set up these posibilities.

When i'm sat in THAT stadium, with strangers who become brothers and sisters united for the cause of telling the Blues to get ****ing stuck into whatever shower of ****e we're playing, i don't want to be anywhere else because even if we lose, We're Everton at the end of the day.

**** everyone else, who are we?

 

[Chang Elephant]

this thread is obviously causing a bit of strife.

shall we ask a mod to lock it?

Ask them to delete it please mate

 

[dholliday]

Ask them to delete it please mate

don't be daft. the posts here have to stay on-record.

this could've been an enlightening debate, but it's obviously too touchy a subject for most blues.


if 5 members say they want this thread locked, then i'll ask a mod to lock it. just write here "lock it"