Reality check: are we small-time?

[Eggs]

...we are an established Premier League cub so that is hardly small time. On the world stage, however, we are clearly some way off other global franchises.
Bottom line is that we are not small beer but clearly not a world renowned name.

 

[EFCNIK]

Who's arsed. We're everton and as my fellow evertonians I would take great pleasure in fapping eachother off as we cry over moyelz and fume over crappy 1 1 draws against norwich. This is all that matters.

 

[noharmdone]

Yep.

That explains why the bookies believe there's more chance of us getting relegated next season than finishing top 4:

Ladbrokes: Everton to get relegated: 8/1 & Everton to finish top 4: 25/1

Ridiculous considering we've finished top 8 the last 6 seasons.

.

About right really..

 

[neville]

Dave Whelan's cheeky comment that Everton aren't big enough for Martinez might have been ridiculed by everyone here, but is he actually right?

We haven't been able to find a buyer since we've been on sale for however many years, our stadium is rarely sold-out for the non-glamour games (tho' not far off to be fair), our average net-spend in the transfer-market and total wage bill is famously skinny, our popularity on the busiest social networks is barely-there, many foreign fans have never even heard of our club...


...maybe our status is more mediocre than we dare admit...


Current damning evidence: top 7 favourites for our next manager with Paddy Power:


Neil Lennon -15/8
Roberto Martinez - 10/3
Gus Poyet - 5
Alan Stubbs - 6
Malky Mackay - 16
Philip Neville - 20
Stuart McCall - 20


I expect this to be the shortlist for the next Stoke job, or Sunderland, or Norwich. I'd even expect Villa or Newcastle to have a more impressive shortlist than this.


We are Everton, and the favourite 7 managers for our top job include only 1 with experience in a top league (Martinez, who's club always finish near the relegation places, and will likely be relegated by next week). 4 are lower-league or Scottish-Prem managers, and the other 2 are ex-players with no managerial-experience at all.

Just because Moyes was lower-league and ended up doing relatively well doesn't mean we can expect it to happen again.


But if the betting market is any indication as to our status, it would seem we are small-time. Highly-regarded managers outside of the very top (Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola, Heynckes, Del Bosque, Löw) who would be in the running for top jobs, the likes of Mancini, Laudrup, Pereira, Tuchel, Pellegrini, Bilic, Klinsmann, Di Matteo, Blanc, Bielsa etc, aren't seen as realistic for us.



Forget history (look at Leeds & Forest and tell them their history makes them big-time). It's about the now.


What yous reckon? Are we really small-time or are we an under-appreciated Big Club?

Whelan is a tosser mate and not the good old boy you see on the telly

Also wanted a mins silence for Thatcher FFS

Everton are a big club (And proper club)

Any clued up football fan will tell you that

Respect from MUFC

 

[dholliday]

Whelan is a tosser mate and not the good old boy you see on the telly

Also wanted a mins silence for Thatcher FFS

Everton are a big club (And proper club)

Any clued up football fan will tell you that

Respect from MUFC

It's all well and good scoring brownie points by roughing up easy targets like Whelan & Thatcher and telling us we're a big club.

And respect from MUFC? We've effectively been your feeder club for the last 10 years. That's not an indication that we're a contemporary big club.

But I'll take the sleeping giant vote. For we are one. Let's hope our next manager wakes us up.

 

[neville]

It's all well and good scoring brownie points by roughing up easy targets like Whelan & Thatcher and telling us we're a big club.

And respect from MUFC? We've effectively been your feeder club for the last 10 years. That's not an indication that we're a contemporary big club.

But I'll take the sleeping giant vote. For we are one. Let's hope our next manager wakes us up.

****ing rubbish

 

[electricblue]

This still going on ?

I see it's now gone up to 25 that think we are a small club.

The FSW must've got all his extended family to vote ffs.

 

[dholliday]

****ing rubbish

what's rubbish? That we've been Man Utd's feeder club?

We wanted to keep Rooney, he went to Man U.
Man U didn't want Saha, Neville, Howard or Gibson anymore, we snapped them up.

Our best players get sold to 'bigger' clubs: Arteta & Lescott are other examples. Whereas when we want players, we don't go looking at the best players the big clubs have to offer, we look at their cast-offs. Or we look at smaller teams' squads.


This small-time mentality is something we need to recognise and change. Otherwise we'll still be like that in another 10 years time.

 

[dholliday]

The FSW must've got all his extended family to vote ffs.

The what? Read this thread ffs:

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/56106-Abbreviations

 

[Goat]

what's rubbish? That we've been Man Utd's feeder club?

We wanted to keep Rooney, he went to Man U.
Man U didn't want Saha, Neville, Howard or Gibson anymore, we snapped them up.

Our best players get sold to 'bigger' clubs: Arteta & Lescott are other examples. Whereas when we want players, we don't go looking at the best players the big clubs have to offer, we look at their cast-offs. Or we look at smaller teams' squads.


This small-time mentality is something we need to recognise and change. Otherwise we'll still be like that in another 10 years time.

We have sold them 1 player in the last 50 Years or so, meanwhile, in that time we have bought around 20 players from them.

So maybe United are OUR feeder Club?

 

[neville]

what's rubbish? That we've been Man Utd's feeder club?

We wanted to keep Rooney, he went to Man U.
Man U didn't want Saha, Neville, Howard or Gibson anymore, we snapped them up.

Our best players get sold to 'bigger' clubs: Arteta & Lescott are other examples. Whereas when we want players, we don't go looking at the best players the big clubs have to offer, we look at their cast-offs. Or we look at smaller teams' squads.


This small-time mentality is something we need to recognise and change. Otherwise we'll still be like that in another 10 years time.

The rubbish quote was in relation to your quote below mate

'It's all well and good scoring brownie points by roughing up easy targets like Whelan & Thatcher and telling us we're a big club.'

I dont do brownie points pal or say things just because people on here may or may not like them

I say things from the heart

 

[electricblue]

The what? Read this thread ffs:

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/56106-Abbreviations

The FSW. Never heard of him ?

 

[dholliday]

We have sold them 1 player in the last 50 Years or so, meanwhile, in that time we have bought around 20 players from them.

So maybe United are OUR feeder Club?

Riiiiight...

Let's bid for their first-teamers and see if no one laughs at us: Vidic, Van Persie, Rooney, Hernandez, Carrick, Evra etc.

Whereas if they bid for our first-teamers? And what would we do with the money we get? We wouldn't be bidding for the likes of Bale, Mata or Aguero. We'd be scouring smaller clubs for talent.


I'd love our new manager to convince us and everyone else we're on the same level as the top 5 clubs. Just like Moyes tried to when he first came in, until reality soured his relationship with ambition.

 

[dholliday]

The rubbish quote was in relation to your quote below mate

'It's all well and good scoring brownie points by roughing up easy targets like Whelan & Thatcher and telling us we're a big club.'

I dont do brownie points pal or say things just because people on here may or may not like them

I say things from the heart

WTF had Thatcher to do with anything? You said that from your heart? Why?

Anyone, even fans from other teams, badmouthing her on an Everton forum will receive an instant brownie point. Or thumbs if we still had them. Just no need for it, mate. Stick to the topic.

 

[Goat]

Riiiiight...

Let's bid for their first-teamers and see if no one laughs at us: Vidic, Van Persie, Rooney, Hernandez, Carrick, Evra etc.

Whereas if they bid for our first-teamers? And what would we do with the money we get? We wouldn't be bidding for the likes of Bale, Mata or Aguero. We'd be scouring smaller clubs for talent.


I'd love our new manager to convince us and everyone else we're on the same level as the top 5 clubs. Just like Moyes tried to when he first came in, until reality soured his relationship with ambition.

Our lack of money has nothing to do with United.