The delivery industry has an obvious point of comparison as the likes of DPR couriers are paid per delivery. I don't know which company
@roydo worked for, but maybe he could say how his own income was structured (I'm assuming when he delivered things he wasn't employed by Royal Mail). That's not to say that one approach is better than the other, merely that different approaches exist. The ability to set pay and manage performance on an individual basis is precisely how the majority of companies operate though. It's hardly rocket science.
I do suspect, however, that postal workers have other perks (pensions, sick leave, etc.) that the likes of cycle couriers and gig delivery staff don't enjoy. We're being asked to feel sorry for one section of an industry and ignore the others. I've said repeatedly throughout this thread that I don't begrudge people a higher salary or better conditions or whatever they can get. What other people earn is really none of my business. What I disagree with is going on strike as that harms people who have no role in your circumstances purely because you hope that hurting them will harm managers enough to force them to give in to your demands. A bit like
@Old Blue 2 voting for Brexit and stuffing up the touring business for many musicians, which apparently makes him a good old socialist and definitely not a Tory (I'm fairly sure
@edge voted for Brexit as well so all those gladly pigeonholing me as a Tory knock yourselves out).
I'll speak more about the NHS as that's an area I have more experience in, but the NHS has been a dreadful employer for decades, and the low pay of nurses, junior doctors, and so on, is but a small part of that, with stress and burnout much bigger factors. I know for a fact that the unions have never done anything about any of those things. Do I think nurses justify higher pay? Yes. Do I think the working patterns of nurses are horrendous and deliberately burn them out? Also, yes. Do I think these strikes will do anything to realistically change that? No. The discourse in the media is reductionist in the extreme. I think the latest figures are that 10-15% of nurses have had to resort to a food bank in some way. That's obviously a terrible situation for anyone to be in. Does that mean we talk as though "every" nurse faces similar difficulties, despite 85% clearly not? Or do we actually try to understand the circumstances of the 15% and offer more tailored support to them? In the easy outrage, quick "win" culture online it's nearly always the former rather than the latter because you (the royal, not you specifically) don't really care, you just want to create the appearance of caring.
For what it's worth, I've spent the last five years on a research project into the employment prospects of people in deprived communities, not that that matters to
@FrenchDarrenBent et al who are happy throwing out accusations based on nothing.
I did vote brexit, said as well I wouldn't if it was now .
Had you down as a Liberal not tory.
The rail has lots of grades, cleaners ,guards ect
On this so called pay offer.
It's about 8% rise over two years.
Roughly gives you about a pound an hour rise, £35 a week.
But Sunday becomes part of the week, currently we have to work 3 out of 4 , you don't want to work it somebody else has to do it or your in, its contracted overtime, that's worth about £186 a sunday , other shift allowances are Roughly another £50 a week.
The Sunday becomes , part of the week , so no contacted overtime , 35 hour week,
Shift pay gone contracted overtime gone
That's £600+ a month down , for station staff.
Then they want you to pay more into your pension and the company less, and bar entrance to new members for two years,
They want an influx of part time and flexible contracts, so the money going into the pension pot .will shrink over time
So you pay more for a shrinking pot.
That's another drop in wages right there.
All stations shut, unspecified roles , new hours and contracts terms and conditions taken away.
All for £35 in one hand, and £200 drop in the other hand taking pensions ect into account.
Not really a fair deal.
The wages on offer would mean it's just another low paid job.
Currently most earn around £1800 to £2000 a mth take home pay with the overtime.
Take the above out and your looking at about £1200 at best.
The shifts mean most have to have a car to get in, public transport isn't obviously running when they start and finish.
Not worth the bother , after fuel may as well get a job in with better hours less grief ect
Take it from me.
Once people realise that they are working, all the unsociable hour s, weekend work getting up at the crack of dawn and getting in well after midnight, bank holidays, Xmas, new year ect , getting stick for the rubbish service, dealing with suicides ect they will not be a que of people wanting the jobs.
To be honest I would say a good third of the staff will go if the redundancy package is any good.
Last one was only £17000 flat didn't matter how long you were there and was oversubscribed, last 3 offers have been as well.
Myself, I am 100# going if the money is over £20,000 and taking
My pension and getting a part time job.
Pension isn't all that but it's a top up. After 32 years £130 a week if I don't take a lump sum.
God help the younger lads and anybody with high overheads. Mortgage ect.
Hope people can see why the union are fighting.
Its definitely not about a so called pay rise.
On the network rail side the safety aspect alone is worth fighting about never mind the rest of it
