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Where does commissioning budgets come from Bruce? Because largely there is accountability for that public based around standing financial instructions, procurement guidelines etc. And each commissioner is having to reduce their budget by 20% this year...so would you cut or ask for more from the existing pool?

Government set the commissioning budget and it's spent accordingly based upon need. It's right that value for money is sought from that.

Health commissioners don't have full control over social care funding though, which is intertwined with health (and health is entirely reliant on it), it comes from LA budgets who have to annually reduce their spending and hope that private sector/charities pick up the gap.

As I explained in my other post, the call is always for more frontline - which inevitably means hospitals (despite around 50% of commissioning budgets spent in hospital settings) - so I agree , throwing money at nurses isn't necessarily the right thing to do.

But neither, in my opinion, is telling people concerned about working conditions and pay and cost of living to "get another job".
That's precisely what I would tell someone looking at a career in the NHS right now as it's a basket case and won't ever change. Even if budgets rise to ensure no reduction in service as a result of any pay offers, the CCG will still demand more than is possible to give so stress and burnout levels won't drop. They do that all in the shadow of anonymity because the public hasn't a scooby who they are or what they do, so just blame the government instead. That's all too evident during the strikes, as not one mention has been made of the targets set by the CCGs and how they put incredible pressure on staff.
 
Can’t stand listening to those criticising the strikes. If I’m unison they used their energy to criticise those that have put the country in this mess we might get somewhere. My work puts me in contact with all front line public sector services. In the area I work I can categorically say that social care and health but more so social care is not in crisis, it has collapsed. Fully collapsed. A few dedicated souls are sat with their thumbs in dykes trying to do something but I don’t think anybody quite realised how bad it is in certain areas.

Politics aside, the cuts over the last decade have destroyed public services for all but the wealthy. As much as I desperately hope everybody gets a pay rise to match the cost of living increases it will do little to solve the problem. It’s hard even to see a way back. It then becomes very difficult to understand how presumably educated people could allow this to happen without fully understanding the consequences when they put the policies into action. Therefore they must have known. I wager this will be looked back on as a borderline criminal act and if things aren’t rectified there will be revolution ahead. Read the history books.
 
That's precisely what I would tell someone looking at a career in the NHS right now as it's a basket case and won't ever change. Even if budgets rise to ensure no reduction in service as a result of any pay offers, the CCG will still demand more than is possible to give so stress and burnout levels won't drop. They do that all in the shadow of anonymity because the public hasn't a scooby who they are or what they do, so just blame the government instead. That's all too evident during the strikes, as not one mention has been made of the targets set by the CCGs and how they put incredible pressure on staff.
Worth pointing out that CCGs shouldn't actually exist any longer as a statutory body. They've been replaced by ICBs, ICS and ICPs.

The ICB will now be the ones commissioning the service, but they've had very little support or guidance to do what they need to do - so currently operate like CCGs despite having responsibility for joining up H&SC across regional footprints.

As I said, it's a mess. It has been since the introduction of the HSC Act and the NHS internal market place. It's why you have a race to extract more from less, competition for funding vs standards, uncertainty and lack of accountability around commissioned services where there is no direct line of sight from commissioner to patient provider (not always the commissioned provider).

Mix that into nationally mandated targets and you've got a system that doesn't really work, trying to look after patients with a workforce exposed to all the inadequacy of that system.

And a number of people concerned that they will be next on the chopping block as national budgets are revised.

I see comparison between the nursing strike and rail strikes on that front.
 
Surely she didn't just say the government have offered lower amounts thatm what the PRB have recommended In the past

 
I find it quite worrying not only that people will believe the rhetoric of the workers wanting more money being the problem but the issue that all of the government wasted money over the past two years carries less weight than a nurse getting paid fairly. This government made a twenty billion pound defecit in the country finances in a day not too long ago and that bill will be placed on us making us poorer on top of inflation and people asking for money to be able to deal with all of that is being painted as selfish and an issue shows how easily some people can be brainwashed by the media.

The same workers who risked their lives not too long ago and kept the country going in the face of a pandemic killing thousands every week , who risked their own lives and health for us the people being made to be the bad guys now is horrible to experience. Just remember the same people telling you that we will have to pay for their pay rise and it will increase inflation are the same people who have increased inflation by their own hands , driven up prices of every day essentials , failed to protect us on energy increases and have deemed help to not be needed next year, threw billions of pounds of contracts to private sector businesses. How are people meant to pay for all of this without more money? If there is money for the government to tank the economy then there is money to pay for the people who care for us when we are unable to work.
 
Not the rail workers but a similar mess.

Stolen from another Everton forum. The situation for these people is desperate.




There are some frankly bizarre views on the nurses strike in threads on here and elsewhere.

Some of you know I am a Governor at a major foundation Trust in London and provide consulting services in Finance/data to others. I serve on the Committee at one Trust that oversees safety including safe staffing levels.

We have a 14.2% frontline nurse vacancy rate and it would be nearer 20% without a major overseas recruiting drive this year.

Our nurses routinely work five 12 hour shifts per week (rather than our nominal standard 4) that often over-run. They routinely have holidays cancelled at no notice and urgent requests to work days off to maintain staffing. Their average pay across all grade is more than 10% lower in real terms than 2010 with some 20% down and working conditions are worse with bullying/harassment (including by patients and public), stress and mental health issues at record levels.

Based on our staff surveys:

6 in 10 report using foodbanks, our/other charitable services or family to help feed themselves/family.

2 in 10 nurses under 35 have or plan to move back in with their parents as they cannot afford rent or bills including some with family.

Our attrition rate, which has traditionally been below national average, has almost doubled in a year and now exceeds our hiring rate meaning all of the above can only get worse.

The quality of life for nurses in and out of work has deteriorated massively since 2010.

Our nurses are not on strike as the majority at our Trust was not big enough for the RCN to push ahead but that does not mean they are content or opposed to striking, in fact we worry it indicates they have lost hope and that our attrition rate will worsen still further.

The NHS is on its knees. The Trusts I know in London are barely hanging on and providing bare minimum services. Buildings are run down. Equipment is old. Outsourced maintenance and cleaning are problematic. Ambulance services are not functional even without a strike. The despair amongst staff and executives is widespread and deep.

The problem really is NOT the strikers.
 
The English are too nice really. The working class has all the muscle, too bad there's so much individualism and competition between unions.
I can't imagine the state of the London city centre if this was France.
It would be absolutely beautiful so long as it was done to genuinely grind the capital to a halt.

Sadly, disaffected youth would use at as a justification to loot and smash the crap out of everything.
 
Not the rail workers but a similar mess.

Stolen from another Everton forum. The situation for these people is desperate.




There are some frankly bizarre views on the nurses strike in threads on here and elsewhere.

Some of you know I am a Governor at a major foundation Trust in London and provide consulting services in Finance/data to others. I serve on the Committee at one Trust that oversees safety including safe staffing levels.

We have a 14.2% frontline nurse vacancy rate and it would be nearer 20% without a major overseas recruiting drive this year.

Our nurses routinely work five 12 hour shifts per week (rather than our nominal standard 4) that often over-run. They routinely have holidays cancelled at no notice and urgent requests to work days off to maintain staffing. Their average pay across all grade is more than 10% lower in real terms than 2010 with some 20% down and working conditions are worse with bullying/harassment (including by patients and public), stress and mental health issues at record levels.

Based on our staff surveys:

6 in 10 report using foodbanks, our/other charitable services or family to help feed themselves/family.

2 in 10 nurses under 35 have or plan to move back in with their parents as they cannot afford rent or bills including some with family.

Our attrition rate, which has traditionally been below national average, has almost doubled in a year and now exceeds our hiring rate meaning all of the above can only get worse.

The quality of life for nurses in and out of work has deteriorated massively since 2010.

Our nurses are not on strike as the majority at our Trust was not big enough for the RCN to push ahead but that does not mean they are content or opposed to striking, in fact we worry it indicates they have lost hope and that our attrition rate will worsen still further.

The NHS is on its knees. The Trusts I know in London are barely hanging on and providing bare minimum services. Buildings are run down. Equipment is old. Outsourced maintenance and cleaning are problematic. Ambulance services are not functional even without a strike. The despair amongst staff and executives is widespread and deep.

The problem really is NOT the strikers.
My sister is a nurse in a and e eye department, she is today working a 13 hour shift hardly a break in-between also has 5 weeks holiday to take and can't take them and now might lose the she is shattered..her daughter has also just qualified as a radiographer and has been put right in to 12 hour shifts all week.... shocking what's going on its disgraceful.....both working Christmas day also hats off to them both
 
My sister is a nurse in a and e eye department, she is today working a 13 hour shift hardly a break in-between also has 5 weeks holiday to take and can't take them and now might lose the she is shattered..her daughter has also just qualified as a radiographer and has been put right in to 12 hour shifts all week.... shocking what's going on its disgraceful.....both working Christmas day also hats off to them both
Absolute heroes.

The situation is disgraceful. The Tory endgame is total privatisation.
 
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