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Always thought nurses were underpaid.

They do the training to degree level, they work the unsociable hours and they have to deal with harrowing situations.

Pay them what they deserve.

My wife is a band 6 nurse, has a degree and a masters, the latter was totally self funded while working full time. She now runs her own clinic where she treats patients with little to no supervision from a doctor. A doctor will be “available” which is how they get away with asking her to do 80-90% of what a doctor would, while paying her a nurses salary.

For all this she gets paid £38k a year which includes the London weighting. Without the London payment, she’d be on the same wage as a junior doctor just going through training. That’s despite having ten years experience as a nurse and five years of specialised work in her particular field.

The saddest thing is that she is actually lucky, in comparison to most nurses who are stuck on wards working nights and dealing with pissheads or watching people die every day.

It’s a joke, and sadly a lot of NHS staff who have degrees feel trapped because their training and qualifications are not particularly easy to transfer to roles outside of the health service for similar pay.

The pension is often touted as a positive, but in reality it’s a pair of golden handcuffs. If you retire five years before the state pension age you lose 25% of your annual pension for life. You now see nurses holding on working shifts into their mid sixties because they cannot afford to take the hit. That aspect of the pension never gets brought up in the media though funnily enough.
 
I have no idea if they are or not. Why would I have an opinion on something I don't really know anything about? I repeat again, if you, or your union, think that pay isn't right then by all means take it up with your employer. Just don't screw up other people while you do it. It's quite straightforward.

Personally, if things are so bad that you're going on strike I can't for the life of me think why you'd want to go back to work for that employer when you've blackmailed them into giving you more money. The relationship clearly isn't a healthy one and it sounds like you'd be much happier doing that job elsewhere you mentioned where they seem to value you more to your liking.

I enjoy working for the public good, hence why I put up with being underpaid by the Tories.

The Department I work for has no control over the pay cap, so I don't have an issue with my direct employer.

The pay cap is set centrally, by the Tories.
 
My wife is a band 6 nurse, has a degree and a masters, the latter was totally self funded while working full time. She now runs her own clinic where she treats patients with little to no supervision from a doctor. A doctor will be “available” which is how they get away with asking her to do 80-90% of what a doctor would, while paying her a nurses salary.

For all this she gets paid £38k a year which includes the London weighting. Without the London payment, she’d be on the same wage as a junior doctor just going through training. That’s despite having ten years experience as a nurse and five years of specialised work in her particular field.

The saddest thing is that she is actually lucky, in comparison to most nurses who are stuck on wards working nights and dealing with pissheads or watching people die every day.

It’s a joke, and sadly a lot of NHS staff who have degrees feel trapped because their training and qualifications are not particularly easy to transfer to roles outside of the health service for similar pay.

The pension is often touted as a positive, but in reality it’s a pair of golden handcuffs. If you retire five years before the state pension age you lose 25% of your annual pension for life. You now see nurses holding on working shifts into their mid sixties because they cannot afford to take the hit. That aspect of the pension never gets brought up in the media though funnily enough.
Shocking isn't it mate.
I have had a bit of a health problem this year so first time in my life I have been in hospital s on a regular basis.,for tests
The staff are brilliant, but the pressure they are under is sickening, you go in for an appointment and you aways have a wait behind your time.
Not there fault.
I have had to bite my tongue a few times with people being nasty and moaning at them.
I have noticed the clinics I have been going most of the staff are well into the sixties, I am 61 but they are deffo older than me.
Don't honestly know how the put up with the pressure and be so nice at the same time.
They honestly deserve every penny they get in my eyes
 
I have no idea if they are or not. Why would I have an opinion on something I don't really know anything about? I repeat again, if you, or your union, think that pay isn't right then by all means take it up with your employer. Just don't screw up other people while you do it. It's quite straightforward.

Personally, if things are so bad that you're going on strike I can't for the life of me think why you'd want to go back to work for that employer when you've blackmailed them into giving you more money. The relationship clearly isn't a healthy one and it sounds like you'd be much happier doing that job elsewhere you mentioned where they seem to value you more to your liking.

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My wife is a band 6 nurse, has a degree and a masters, the latter was totally self funded while working full time. She now runs her own clinic where she treats patients with little to no supervision from a doctor. A doctor will be “available” which is how they get away with asking her to do 80-90% of what a doctor would, while paying her a nurses salary.

For all this she gets paid £38k a year which includes the London weighting. Without the London payment, she’d be on the same wage as a junior doctor just going through training. That’s despite having ten years experience as a nurse and five years of specialised work in her particular field.

The saddest thing is that she is actually lucky, in comparison to most nurses who are stuck on wards working nights and dealing with pissheads or watching people die every day.

It’s a joke, and sadly a lot of NHS staff who have degrees feel trapped because their training and qualifications are not particularly easy to transfer to roles outside of the health service for similar pay.

The pension is often touted as a positive, but in reality it’s a pair of golden handcuffs. If you retire five years before the state pension age you lose 25% of your annual pension for life. You now see nurses holding on working shifts into their mid sixties because they cannot afford to take the hit. That aspect of the pension never gets brought up in the media though funnily enough.
That sounds like a band 7 job , all respect to your wife. I retired early from the NHS and lost 25% of my pension but I’d had enough.
 
Seen this today heartbreaking
Makes me a little bit irritable this, because the answer in the NHS is always "we need more on the Frontline" as though that will eradicate all the ills of the health service.

More front line staff, more nurses, more doctors. There are more staff currently in the NHS than pre Covid.

It's capacity across the entire health and social care sector that's the issue.

More people are going to GPs with minor/medium health issues, there are backlogs across health but there's not enough capacity/requirements to discharge effectively so people stay in hospital longer than needed, which causes delays so that's why you have ambulance wait times so high.

More nurses won't solve that and neither will increasing nurses pay - it's pushing money towards a problem that won't actually resolve anything because fundamentally the problem won't go away by paying nurses more.
 
That sounds like a band 7 job , all respect to your wife. I retired early from the NHS and lost 25% of my pension but I’d had enough.

Disgusting that they take 25% from people for retiring early in a job like that. Hospitals are horrible places to work, the new Royal being a perfect example, patients on bed in corridors weeks after opening. Nurses are massively underpaid for what they do.
 
I have no idea if they are or not. Why would I have an opinion on something I don't really know anything about? I repeat again, if you, or your union, think that pay isn't right then by all means take it up with your employer. Just don't screw up other people while you do it. It's quite straightforward.

Personally, if things are so bad that you're going on strike I can't for the life of me think why you'd want to go back to work for that employer when you've blackmailed them into giving you more money. The relationship clearly isn't a healthy one and it sounds like you'd be much happier doing that job elsewhere you mentioned where they seem to value you more to your liking.
This is sounding a bit "if you don't like it here, why don't you go back to your own country"
 
This is sounding a bit "if you don't like it here, why don't you go back to your own country"
Wow. I would sincerely hope that the managers, and by extension of that the commissioners, are taking serious notice of the 40,000 nurses who have left the profession this year because both are as culpable in this. Of course, you won't do that and will carry on squeezing the pip. The commissioners are the anonymous heavies that do the government's dirty work. The industry is utterly buggered, so I wouldn't get on my high horse. I just don't think a pay rise will fix it.
 
Wow. I would sincerely hope that the managers, and by extension of that the commissioners, are taking serious notice of the 40,000 nurses who have left the profession this year because both are as culpable in this. Of course, you won't do that and will carry on squeezing the pip. The commissioners are the anonymous heavies that do the government's dirty work. The industry is utterly buggered, so I wouldn't get on my high horse. I just don't think a pay rise will fix it.
Where does commissioning budgets come from Bruce? Because largely there is accountability for that public based around standing financial instructions, procurement guidelines etc. And each commissioner is having to reduce their budget by 20% this year...so would you cut or ask for more from the existing pool?

Government set the commissioning budget and it's spent accordingly based upon need. It's right that value for money is sought from that.

Health commissioners don't have full control over social care funding though, which is intertwined with health (and health is entirely reliant on it), it comes from LA budgets who have to annually reduce their spending and hope that private sector/charities pick up the gap.

As I explained in my other post, the call is always for more frontline - which inevitably means hospitals (despite around 50% of commissioning budgets spent in hospital settings) - so I agree , throwing money at nurses isn't necessarily the right thing to do.

But neither, in my opinion, is telling people concerned about working conditions and pay and cost of living to "get another job".
 
Wow. I would sincerely hope that the managers, and by extension of that the commissioners, are taking serious notice of the 40,000 nurses who have left the profession this year because both are as culpable in this. Of course, you won't do that and will carry on squeezing the pip. The commissioners are the anonymous heavies that do the government's dirty work. The industry is utterly buggered, so I wouldn't get on my high horse. I just don't think a pay rise will fix it.
A pay rise won't fix anything, other than to give people a fairer wage.
For me, you need to start making radical changes to the whole service.
Working in it, it's not fit for purpose.
 
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