I'm not sure the NHS banding considers nursing 'highly skilled'.
Not really specialist or highly skilled until you're around Band 7 and most nursing roles will be band 5-6
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Not really specialist or highly skilled until you're around Band 7 and most nursing roles will be band 5-6
I have sympathy for the station staff (albeit they are almost non-existent outside of central London), the trackside maintenance and repair folk, the cleaners and so on - all difficult, dirty or dangerous jobs that are historically underpaid. Whilst their strike will certainly inconvenience people, I generally support their right to strike and their motivations for doing so.
But drivers? No.
Train drivers going on strike can bugger off. They earn WAY above the salary their skillset would indicate is appropriate. Them going on strike in support of their colleagues in the roles I mentioned above? Fair enough. But if they demand any more money I would turn to the cleaners and station staff and the rest and say "sorry, we can't pay you any more. The drivers have taken all your money".
If the docklands light railway is any indication, we should see the widespread rollout of driverless trains in the next few years. Drivers getting paid more than head teachers is an absolutely ridiculous state of affairs.
Are the train drivers on strike?
They haven't been previously but have been used to conflate the 'average' rail worker salary.
Loads of rail workers are skilled,
But why give a currently stable job up for one that isn't?
We're are you getting humility from?
Or to you mean we should just shut up and be happy with are lot and think areselfs lucky we have a job.
To give you an example
I have worked in a factory .
Airport
Tank cleaning
Groundwork
Been a berth manager , with 50 odd staff under me, three warehouses , and responsibilities
of looking after ships loading there cargoes worth millions .
And afterwards there storage and onward distribution.
Majority owned my own shipping. Business, employing people, one who post on here and met some of the richest people you could imagine while doing it.
Stellos off easyjet father I knew personally, that's were the money really came from, to name one,
You might recognise, met yanks, Koch family and Irish people as rich or not far behind.
Qualifications in care work , and teaching assistant .
Not bad for a dyslexic lad from kirkdale
Before you ask I got ripped off by a family member , had to either walk away or split the family up,
I got offered the contracts we had as long as I binned him
Chose my family over the money,
he ended up bankrupt,.
Had the experience and qualifications coming out of his bum, but didn't have the people skills to go with it , with the customers or the workforce
I got divorced gave everything up and started again and wanted a quite life. Just earning a simple living
,so went on the rail, and have zero intrested or ambition to be anything else.
Bit of novelty but I am not motivated by money or some meaniless job title.
I suppose I could among that lot have some skills to tranfer to somebody.
Holding a degree makes one skilled imo, and banding isn't a good indicator especially as it's largely based on years of service rather than aptitude.
They haven't been but are now.
There's is about pay and Sundays being part of the week, some of them already have that some don't.
The network rail lads have been offered a deal that involves conditions going, more weekends and lots of strings added, the end up roughly £9000 a year worse off on average
The rest station staff ect have had no offer, are facing being made redundant, contracts ripped up, of they stay and havnt had a rise for 3 years the pay goes from £17000 for cleaners to about £22.000 for the higher paid station jobs.
Some of the signal and driver jobs are well paid , most are just on fairly average money.
I don't understand then, as you seem to be admitting that work in the rail industry is better than they could get anywhere else, yet they're going on strike and disrupting the lives of lots of other people because they seemingly think the job isn't good enough for them. Both can't be true, can they?
The strike is about keeping there jobs there is mass redundancy getting proposed,
Those that stay will have new contracts imposed.
Worse conditions , pensions ect it isn't just about pay never has Been.
Seen it in the airport , formally decent jobs that go.
End up with poor pay and the job retention figures go through the roof, and you end up nobody wants the job and the public suffer like they have this year around the country
You don't move up banding because you've been around longer outside of the band 5-6. You move up from bad 5-6 after 5 years, but the move from 6-7 isn't based on length of service. You're experience and skill determine that.
There are roles in the NHS that require a degree that have no specialist skill or experience. It's a quirk of recruitment.
I've seen signalling is around £44,000 and drivers around £58,000.
That's a pretty decent wage for the role.
They can earn that, most are on less thats the top end of the scales.
I know of drivers actually on more , not on northernrail ,( they are on thirty odd),but they hammer the overtime to get it knew one who earned £65000.
They are not in support of us , that's a totally different strike they are looking after themselves.
To use the nursing pathway though, I suspect a good many matrons, who I believe are band 7, are as much in the role due to length of service as any particular skillset they possess. Obviously, they need to want to go into a more managerial role, but it's not like they're the second coming of Jack Welch.
This is often the silent knife in the back. There's lots of cops who joined with a set pension scheme and now, due to changes, won't be getting what was offered.
In fact, many don't know what they'll get at all due to the current issue. I've got solidarity with anyone who is protecting what was promised to them.
Again though, if they're unhappy with their lot it really is a sellers market right now. The article below is one of many that highlights the transferable skills required to get a job in the rail sector, so it seems reasonable to assume rail workers could reverse engineer that and use the skills they possess to get better jobs in other sectors where their skills would be more valued. For instance, maintenance engineers could work in automotive or aerospace roles. Customer service roles are plentiful across the economy so those in customer-facing roles could do likewise. I wonder why that doesn't happen?
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