Current Affairs Race wars, neo-nazis and other unpleasantness

[davek]

I've said this more than once since last weekend, but it bears repeating. The Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, allowed a 100,000 fascist army to take over central London last Saturday, culminating in the biggest far right rally ever which took over Trafalgar Square for a whole day.

If you looked at the Twitter feed of that march (Robinson thanked Elon Musk profusely a number of times for providing the platform, btw), Robinson stated excitedly on numerous occasions that he couldn't believe the size of the march and rally. He clearly couldn't get over how they had been able to co-ordinate a nation-wide call to arms that was then allowed to swamp and take over the capital city of this country.

Yvette Cooper allowed that to happen, and all the top coppers were happy to go along with it.

Now they reap what they sow.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Thats how civil war starts.
End of the day they are easily mobilised due to poor education and lack of opportunity.
The tories did well under borris due to the leveling up policy. It was absolute BS obviously. Whether you like it or not the white working class boys are an under represented. They have the worse out comes in education out of any demographic. In 2019 just 17.7% of free school meal -eligible White British pupils achieved grade 5 or above in English and maths.
It’s a generational problem. I’m 45 went to school on a council estate, but went to university. My cousin is still on the estate, like my uncle. He has is grandfather, his son and grandkids are on the estate.
These are the target audience. Benefits, lack of vision to have ambition, and lack of education and critical thinking - internet rumours are easily believed.

Civil war my arse. The nasty little scum would go running home to mummy and daddy immediately if they faced a police force who wasn't dealing with them with one arm tied behind their back.

 

[tsubaki]

They are unfit and overweight

The 'bleep test' restriction for the police has been lowered a number of times over the past few decades - because take up numbers are so low

Probably because they're aren't allowed to do their job anymore

This is just not true. Twenty five years ago there wasn’t a bleep test, and ever since it’s been introduced it has been at the same level for standard cops (5.4, with specialist officers having to do more depending on their roles).

 

[tsubaki]

I've said this more than once since last weekend, but it bears repeating. The Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, allowed a 100,000 fascist army to take over central London last Saturday, culminating in the biggest far right rally ever which took over in Trafalgar Square.

If you looked at the Twitter feed of that march (Robinson thanked Elon Musk profusely a number of times for providing the platform, btw), Robinson stated excitedly on numerous occasions that he couldn't believe the size of the march and rally. He clearly couldn't get over how they had been able to co-ordinate a nation-wide call to arms that was then allowed to swamp and take over the capital city of this country.

Yvette Cooper allowed that to happen, and all the top coppers were happy to go along with it.

Now they reap what they sow.

Dave there was not 100000 fascists at that rally.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

How amusing it is that the Telegraph is calling out disinformation. They’ll be criticising Russia for employing a barking mad female columnist with a Boris Johnson obsession next.

Yes, I certainly noted the irony. I'm fairly sure they're run commentary/opinion on why it's not fair to label those of dubious political opinions 'far right'.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Thats how civil war starts.
End of the day they are easily mobilised due to poor education and lack of opportunity.
The tories did well under borris due to the leveling up policy. It was absolute BS obviously. Whether you like it or not the white working class boys are an under represented. They have the worse out comes in education out of any demographic. In 2019 just 17.7% of free school meal -eligible White British pupils achieved grade 5 or above in English and maths.
It’s a generational problem. I’m 45 went to school on a council estate, but went to university. My cousin is still on the estate, like my uncle. He has is grandfather, his son and grandkids are on the estate.
These are the target audience. Benefits, lack of vision to have ambition, and lack of education and critical thinking - internet rumours are easily believed.

Using your council.estate example its probably worth adding that as well as a lack of opportunity, there is no hope and people are angry at feeling they are ignored - which the disinformation feeds into.

 

[davek]

Dave there was not 100000 fascists at that rally.

That was what was claimed, and I'm used to viewing mass scale demos like that and if it wasn't a hundred thousand it wasn't far short of it.

They came in their tens of thousands from around the country and swamped central London and camped out there hearing hate speeches and listening to 'music' and watching propaganda films.

Was that a great idea do you think given whats happened subsequently?

Cooper should resign. The fact there's been no calls for her to do so, as far as I know, is unfathomable.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Yes, I certainly noted the irony. I'm fairly sure they're run commentary/opinion on why it's not fair to label those of dubious political opinions 'far right'.

It might be useful.for them to get back to journalism. It's become a tabloid.

 

[tsubaki]

That was what was claimed, and I'm used to viewing mass scale demos like that and if it wasn't a hundred thousand it wasn't far short of it.

They came in their tens of thousands from around the country and swamped central London and camped out there hearing hate speeches and listening to 'music' and watching propaganda films.

Was that a great idea do you think given whats happened subsequently?

Cooper should resign. The fact there's been no calls for her to do so, as far as I know, is unfathomable.

That was what was claimed, and I'm used to viewing mass scale demos like that and if it wasn't a hundred thousand it wasn't far short of it.

They came in their tens of thousands from around the country and swamped central London and camped out there hearing hate speeches and listening to 'music' and watching propaganda films.

Was that a great idea do you think given whats happened subsequently?

Cooper should resign. The fact there's been no calls for her to do so, as far as I know, is unfathomable.

The capacity of Trafalgar Square is about 35k in its modern form (with the old top road pedestrianised), with the roads closed around the sides and at the bottom maybe 20k more.

Compare that to actual 100k demos, like several of the Palestinian ones, where the head of the march is at Trafalgar Square whilst the back of it is still away up Park Lane.

 

[efcste97]

this is the type of rhetoric these clows believe

 

[LostLegend]

Morning folks. Didn’t get asleep til later than planned last night due to all the noise from from police cars blaring past til all hours. Am in work feeling a bit knackered

Here’s an excerpt from Umberto Eco’s ‘Ur Fascist’ on how to spot fascism to start the day.

1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

 

[PhilM]

Merseyside Police just can't react to public disorder. Remember Kopites won the league in lockdown and the police allowed a large gathering to build on pier head. Then stood and watch them wreck the place and fire rockets at Liver Buildings because it was lit blue

Utterly useless they are when it comes to dealing with these things thar could be stopped at source with robust policing.

You're right here, however this is mainly due to a long-standing shift in policy, which over time has caused the force to become unprepared for such occasions.

I've said it a few times, but there needs to be an appetite to deal with it robustly, and in the higher echelons of the force there simply isn't. This seeps downwards.

The mentality changed in '99 with the disturbance in Slater Street between Kopites and United, and how the proactive response was thoroughly frowned upon.

A strong response wasn't palatable, so over twenty-fire years, there has been a series of bosses who lack the experience to deal with it or the appetite to do so.

You then have young cops learning from that, those cops becoming bosses, and it dilutes further. Now, it's a steep learning curve where the city suffers.

Did you see yesterday, a line of cops charging some protestors with their backs unprotected from a second separate of protestors? It's fluffin' negligence!

If you compare it with the Met or even Lancs, you can see how it's more of an internal issue rather than a wider policing issue as a whole.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I've said this more than once since last weekend, but it bears repeating. The Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, allowed a 100,000 fascist army to take over central London last Saturday, culminating in the biggest far right rally ever which took over Trafalgar Square for a whole day.

If you looked at the Twitter feed of that march (Robinson thanked Elon Musk profusely a number of times for providing the platform, btw), Robinson stated excitedly on numerous occasions that he couldn't believe the size of the march and rally. He clearly couldn't get over how they had been able to co-ordinate a nation-wide call to arms that was then allowed to swamp and take over the capital city of this country.

Yvette Cooper allowed that to happen, and all the top coppers were happy to go along with it.

Now they reap what they sow.

The Tories allowed mass protests every week and somehow you’ve turned it into labours fault again

 

[Charro]

this is the type of rhetoric these clows believe

A lot of these accounts are bots.

 

[magicjuan]

It’s a shame that Corbyn never clocked what an opening for the right wing Brexit presented.

It’s the magic bottle that their genie popped out of. Had Brexit been properly resisted and defeated, the Faragist wing would have been reduced to political non-entities.

Brexit gave him and his ilk credibility and confidence that should never have existed.

Brexit was seized by the 'right' and turned into a single issue campaign when it was much more complex. Should have never been a yes/no vote vote without a qualifying percentage.
The media reported on very little other than immigration and Corbyn tried to explain it in economic terms and others.
The Farage Fanboys of Fleet Street (there's a band name) played on this, still do, in the most simplistic, dog whistling way. Same with Gaza. Same with non taxation of billionaires.