Current Affairs Putin 2...as the other thread is locked....

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But even so, you support a state killing a gangster? Which wouldnt happen if said gangster supported the state.
No, I didn't say I support that.

I stated that I'm not arsed if the oligarch / Putin wars end up with gangsters being slain. There is a difference. As I said in my original ppst that seems to have exercised @Harryflashman "no one should have a dog in that fight".
 
Here's the feller, Navalny, who we're supposed to be othered about. His father was a Red Army officer who made a grab for factories when the Soviet empire fell. That's done with plenty of muscle, as all the oligarchs used - ex army in many cases. Navalny himself holds some terrible views: “I want a market economy in the most wicked form—the strongest survive, the rest are simply superfluous", and he's a known racist and anti-semite. He calls immigrants cockroaches and says their expulsion is like getting rid of rotten teeth.

Such people are really not worth concerning ourselves with. Neither is Putin's well-being worth bothering about. Just let them get on with destroying each other.

These inconsistencies you think you're uncovering are not inconsistencies at all. You cant be serious in suggesting that psychotic child murderers and people who are struggling for liberation should be either ALL condemned or 'understood' together with gangsters? For very different reasons, they cant: the first are hard-wired to be unhinged, and the second are motivated by a cause that goes beyond self-aggrindizement. Gangsters are lucid, free-thinking and the ultimate selfish being - a menace.

no here’s what I think the state shouldn’t murder people . It seems really easy to grasp , it shouldn’t murder people for political gain or for religious reasons or because they’re criminals , gangsters or gay or because of their r or ethnicity or because of any Perceived disabilities , because they drew a satirical cartoon or because their dad was a bad sort .

The fact you seem to struggle to grasp that is frankly staggering.
 
No, I didn't say I support that.

I stated that I'm not arsed if the oligarch / Putin wars end up with gangsters being slain. There is a difference. As I said in my original ppst that seems to have exercised @Harryflashman "no one should have a dog in that fight".

Gotcha.

Still not a fan of state backed killings mind. But not an awful lot one can do about it.
 
No, I didn't say I support that.

I stated that I'm not arsed if the oligarch / Putin wars end up with gangsters being slain. There is a difference. As I said in my original ppst that seems to have exercised @Harryflashman "no one should have a dog in that fight".

Is that completely true ?

What you said was


He can do what he wants if he gets that vaccine right.

you then backtracked a bit with your dog in the fight

@roydo
 
It’s that’s like saying to someone whose partner only beats them twice A week , “you just Don’t know how lucky you are, read the papers, just see how many domestic murders there are . Quit your moaning “

We are just a moaning bunch us Brits tho mate - the day the big galoot Boris is sending operatives to poison Starmer with Polonium or Cummings is feeding his sister to ravid dogs or heck Patel sending thousands of BAME to reducation camps then we can say we have it bad.
 
We are just a moaning bunch us Brits tho mate - the day the big galoot Boris is sending operatives to poison Starmer with Polonium or Cummings is feeding his sister to ravid dogs or heck Patel sending thousands of BAME to reducation camps then we can say we have it bad.

then what’s the point of anything ? We may as well say forever , it’s not like Putin has killed 6m like hitler or Stalin (broadly ) or even how you dare you moan about Hitler it’s not like he was a Mao is it
 
then what’s the point of anything ? We may as well say forever , it’s not like Putin has killed 6m like hitler or Stalin (broadly ) or even how you dare you moan about Hitler it’s not like he was a Mao is it

I just think people go OOT when it comes to politics at times without stepping back and realising we are very lucky to live in a country that isn't a basket case.

Not saying it couldn't be better but when you see the way some bleat on you would think their families had been rounded up and executed
 
I just think people go OOT when it comes to politics at times without stepping back and realising we are very lucky to live in a country that isn't a basket case.

Not saying it could be better but when you see the way some bleat on you would think their families had been rounded up and executed

I genuinely think I’ve pretty much won the lottery in terms of my life , when you think when and where you could have been born and in what circumstances. So that isn’t the case with me .
 
no here’s what I think the state shouldn’t murder people . It seems really easy to grasp , it shouldn’t murder people for political gain or for religious reasons or because they’re criminals , gangsters or gay or because of their r or ethnicity or because of any Perceived disabilities , because they drew a satirical cartoon or because their dad was a bad sort .

The fact you seem to struggle to grasp that is frankly staggering.
There's a hierarchy to how much any decent person should feel about the deaths of those people.

It;s poor that you smuggled in ethnic minorites and gays into the conversation, as it really isn't about them is it?

Here's where we stand, as I see it: I'm not arsed if gangsters are killed per se; you are concerned by it.

I dont advocate it, I just wont see it as a matter anyone should be bothered about given where we are right now.
 
Is that completely true ?

What you said was




you then backtracked a bit with your dog in the fight

@roydo
He can do what he wants; his opponents can do what they want.

If Putin's regime came up with a vaccine that works no one is going to be focussing on gangserism...his or his opponents.
 
There's a hierarchy to how much any decent person should feel about the deaths of those people.

It;s poor that you smuggled in ethnic minorites and gays into the conversation, as it really isn't about them is it?

Here's where we stand, as I see it: I'm not arsed if gangsters are killed per se; you are concerned by it.

I dont advocate it, I just wont see it as a matter anyone should be bothered about given where we are right now.

Ok but to me when the state starts killing people that’s the point like when they take the rights of begum , I personally don’t care particularly if her individual rights are infringed but I do care because I’d view that like I’d view poisoning of gangsters like the thin end of the wedge .

i’m fully aware terrible things happen on a daily basis but as a society , collectively we have to say that’s not right because to each of us that line is in a different place .To you it’s ‘gangsters ‘ yet you rile at ethnicity and sexuality but to many they’d happily shift that line in the other direction . Society should be judged by where it draws That line and it’s why ever criminal , whatever their crime is entitled to the full protection of the law and a competent defence.

Anyway I’m off out, so I presume for you that may mean I find myself on a list . Enjoy your evening .
 
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