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It is progress. We are 7th by a country mile, we have kept up with the group of teams above us and had a chance of getting higher.

I expect us to make some good signings in the summer and push on and make a real challenge for champions league.
 

I used to think 7th was the bare minimum acceptable for Everton before Martinez shifted the lens through which underachievement can be viewed. 7th is therefore decent with this squad. I could take it better if we were just generally inconsistent but it hasn't been that, it's mentality issues again, can't play big games, can't play v Liverpool, can't play away from home. These players are comfortable with Everton being crap, that sticks in the throat.
 
There has been progress, but it's so minor IMO.

We gained 4 league places without the worry of Cup games or Europe.

We need a big injection if we are to maintain league form if we are to make any effort in trying to win the actual competitions we could possibly win.
 

davek said:
It is. But we need to be surpassing the best Martinez season...and on that today this current manager stated its "unrealistic to get too four"...which is a disgrace.
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We had to clear the Martinez players first mate so not sure I follow that logic. He has progressed from last season that's for sure.

P.s that Martinez season of 72 points was a Moyes team
 
Saint Domingo said:
I used to think 7th was the bare minimum acceptable for Everton before Martinez shifted the lens through which underachievement can be viewed. 7th is therefore decent with this squad. I could take it better if we were just generally inconsistent but it hasn't been that, it's mentality issues again, can't play big games, can't play v Liverpool, can't play away from home. These players are comfortable with Everton being crap, that sticks in the throat.
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Nonsense. Mid table and two extensive cup runs are more worthwhile to a BS 7th place and being dumped out of the cups early doors.

There has been NO progress in that sense.

Has he got these cowards working again? Yes. Has it been an impressive season? Has it bollocks. Home form aside its been dour away from home and the football only picked up in the second half of the season, as the first half was utter muck.
 
davek said:
It is. But we need to be surpassing the best Martinez season...and on that point today this current manager stated its "unrealistic to get top four"...which is a disgrace.
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But it wasn't unrealistic for Leicester to get in the top 1 last season. Serious lack of a winning mentality throughout the club.
 
Toffeeslam said:
We had to clear the Martinez players first mate so not sure I follow that logic. He has progressed from last season that's for sure.

P.s that Martinez season of 72 points was a Moyes team
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A Moyes team he taught how to play football.
 

crockyblue79 said:
But it wasn't unrealistic for Leicester to get in the top 1 last season. Serious lack of a winning mentality throughout the club.
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I couldn't believe my ears when I heard it.

Does he think he's being handed twice what Moyes and Martinez got paid in order to achieve a poorer league placing than they got? The feller needs to be told he's not on.

Get top four or GTF.
 
Toffeeslam said:
No Dave....we he started implementing his Idea's we went backwards mate......bottom half of the table backwards
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...anyway, not arsed with rehashing those arguments. The topic is "progress".


In a way, yes. Better league form again and better home form more particularly. Overall and fundamentally though: no. There is no resilience to this team and they'll always be found out when it matters. This current manager hasn't changed that one iota.
 
davek said:
...anyway, not arsed with rehashing those arguments. The topic is "progress".


In a way, yes. Better league form again and better home form more particularly. Overall and fundamentally though: no. There is no resilience to this team and they'll always be found out when it matters. This current manager hasn't changed that one iota.
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Hopefully he will this summer by getting the right players in, I agree that the players are suspect mentally especially away from home
 

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