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Thatcher the snatcher. John Major's mass unemployment (its currently improving since the recession) and william hague's super shiny head, plus Cameron's take from the poor and give to the rich master plan, makes me despise them and all they stand for!! VOTE LABOUR, VOTE WORKING CLASS
 
No matter who gets in the next 5/10/15/20 years are going to hurt many people is my honest opinion.:(

I wasn't pledging my alegiance with anyone there - I grew up in a tory political landscape and for the last ten years to be honest New Labour has done diddly squat for me.......So which way now is the question I'm yet to answer. :unsure:
 
Another question to add to yours DBRAG, why, when we have a reigning monarch, do we need a prime minister? Surely her maj should rule the country and decide whats best for her people!

Noooooo nonononono. The correct answer to that little dilemma is to kick out the 'there-just-because-useless-sponge' rather than the 'idiot-who-was-actually-voted-in-on-merit'
 
The other side of what? I was raised in a working class home.


You were lucky Bruce, I was brought up in a cardboard box, with a gravel floor foe a bed, with many other gutter snipes in beautiful down town Jerkinbed
 
Jesting aside though Monts, I simply don't get the support for Labour. Well I do but it leads to pretty ugly implications.

For instance this morning I read how the state share of UK GDP has risen from 38% in 2000 to 52% now. We have to bare in mind that the state doesn't create any wealth, it merely redistributes it from the private sector. In many northern towns and cities the states share of GDP is higher than that found in communist Russia!

This sticking our heads in the sand can't go on. We don't have an empire any more. The likes of Brazil, China, Mexico, Russia, India are snapping at our heals economically. The only major industry that we rule the world in is finance (which accounted for 12% of the countries entire tax take last year by the way), and the country hates bankers. If we lose that then we really do have very little left with which to compete globally. Manufacturing is Chinese. IT is American (and increasingly Indian). Biotech is American. Electronics is SE Asian. Automobiles are increasingly Japanese. Telecoms is Scandinavian.

So much of this thread seems hung up on the caricatures of politics. Labour is friend of the working man, Conservatives are all toffs, Lib Dems are sandal wearing hippies. It's a nonsense. Labours spending splurge of the last decade was funded by the City and the property market (which boomed due to the number of people coming into the country and cheap credit supplied by the City). It's built on sand, yet so many get stuck on the superficial issues.

With so much of northern economies driven by the state it perhaps isn't surprising that northerners tend to vote for the party that traditionally wants a large state sector, but as history has shown that such scenarios are eventually ruinous to a country it's hard to look past such a strategy as being at best incredibly short-termist and at worst incredibly selfish as it hampers the ability of those that wish to stand free from the government crutch.

I mean you only have to look at the changing demographics of the country (developed world). We're living longer and longer, but retirement ages aren't keeping pace with life expectancy so we're getting increasingly top heavy, with an increasing number of people that aren't working and that are large users of healthcare. It isn't sustainable but politicians are infamous for shying away from difficult choices. They've bodged the retirement issue for years due to pressure from public sector unions who want to protect their members right to retire at 50 or whatever it is. They've bodged our energy policy so we will be dependant upon Russia to keep us warm. If only people could overlook partisan politics and look at the bigger picture.
 
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Jesting aside though Monts, I simply don't get the support for Labour. Well I do but it leads to pretty ugly implications.

For instance this morning I read how the state share of UK GDP has risen from 38% in 2000 to 52% now. We have to bare in mind that the state doesn't create any wealth, it merely redistributes it from the private sector. In many northern towns and cities the states share of GDP is higher than that found in communist Russia!

This sticking our heads in the sand can't go on. We don't have an empire any more. The likes of Brazil, China, Mexico, Russia, India are snapping at our heals economically. The only major industry that we rule the world in is finance (which accounted for 12% of the countries entire tax take last year by the way), and the country hates bankers. If we lose that then we really do have very little left with which to compete globally. Manufacturing is Chinese. IT is American (and increasingly Indian). Biotech is American. Electronics is SE Asian. Automobiles are increasingly Japanese. Telecoms is Scandinavian.

So much of this thread seems hung up on the caricatures of politics. Labour is friend of the working man, Conservatives are all toffs, Lib Dems are sandal wearing hippies. It's a nonsense. Labours spending splurge of the last decade was funded by the City and the property market (which boomed due to the number of people coming into the country and cheap credit supplied by the City). It's built on sand, yet so many get stuck on the superficial issues.

With so much of northern economies driven by the state it perhaps isn't surprising that northerners tend to vote for the party that traditionally wants a large state sector, but as history has shown that such scenarios are eventually ruinous to a country it's hard to look past such a strategy as being at best incredibly short-termist and at worst incredibly selfish as it hampers the ability of those that wish to stand free from the government crutch.


Bruce at this time of the an election year I just don't want to go there mate.....hence my pathetic attempt at humour.

There will be many threads and rough water to cross in the early summer, the mods will be working overtime to keep a sense of balance. You know my political beliefs, I remain sad as we haven't had a socialist goverment since Clem Attlee and Harold Wilson so I prefer to leave matter in obeyance until nearer the time.

This thread is akin to talking about buying Christmas presents now
 
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