Kenwright and promises it kinds of fits ghost.
I don,t blame moysie at all he has been taken for a ride like the rest of us
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I don,t blame moysie at all he has been taken for a ride like the rest of us
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
Well not entirely sure mate. I would like to think so, but I can't say if he is or isn't.
But then why would BK want to [Poor language removed] the club over? It just doesn't make any sense, unless this American is [Poor language removed] us over like he did to Planet Hollywood.
sotnas
Player Valuation: £10m
Facts:
- Carsley, McFadden, AJ and Fernandes out
- No replacements brought in at the right time
- Kids were promoted to club
- The Moutinho's soap opera
- No cash spent
- Cash available to spend (?!)
- Poor start of the league
My view:
Carsley was [Poor language removed] in my concept, but we didn't get anyone as good and as consistent as him. (mistake number 1)
By not signing anyone to cover for the 4 important players out the squad was weakened. (mistake number 2)
The kids on the first team, to me is a good sign for the future. But was it a planned thing or was just consequence of the difficult acts in the transfer market? (mistake or not, i'll explain what I think further down)
Moutinho was an exciting prospect for many of us. Signing for the amount Sporting is expecting would put us in trouble because of mistakes number 1 and 2. We'd have no money to strengthen other areas of the squad. But he would be a valuable addiction in any case. The mistake in here was to pass the idea he was our one and only target, almost our saviour.
The cash...we still have it and brought in players for free (at least for now). I have my doubts about bringing in 3 strikers when we have already 3, but I'll just give Moyes credit and wait to see what happens before shouting anything bad. (another mistake or not..)
Poor start of the league, after losing to Blackburn some doubts have risen between you my fellow evertonians. I never had any doubt we'd beat WBA. The Pompey defeat is something I saw coming, they are a very good side with a number of very good players. Apart the Blackburn (a team I think is [Poor language removed]) defeat I have no problems with this start of the season but it sets some points to preview our final position... we won't be in contention for CL football, probably a finish within the top ten won't be too bad.
About the mistakes or not, well the kids are something I like but was this a planed thing? And the money we didn't spend?
Well, I have no problems if they come out and say we're sticking with the kids and we'll save the money for something worthwhile. Or if they said we're not signing in numbers but we'll bring in quality to step to the next level.
But they have passed the idea that we'd be challenging for honours and for CL football. Then, by not signing anybody came the moaning by Moyes and BK also.
What I see is that we didn't have any sort of backup plan for the season. Nobody thought that things could get tough. So now we're signing in numbers because the only plan they had failed. And this worries me and makes me think the kids and the money were mistakes... we only took a chance on them because we couldn't get the players we wanted, meaning we never thought they were ready for the challenge, and we didn't spend the money not because we chose to but because we couldn't get the targets for different reasons.
In a simple phrase we're not following any sort of map, it seems to me that we are walking with our eyes shut, and that is a worry.
But on the other hand, Moyes has some good work to support him. I'll wait and see if he can steer this ship under an unexpected storm.
- Carsley, McFadden, AJ and Fernandes out
- No replacements brought in at the right time
- Kids were promoted to club
- The Moutinho's soap opera
- No cash spent
- Cash available to spend (?!)
- Poor start of the league
My view:
Carsley was [Poor language removed] in my concept, but we didn't get anyone as good and as consistent as him. (mistake number 1)
By not signing anyone to cover for the 4 important players out the squad was weakened. (mistake number 2)
The kids on the first team, to me is a good sign for the future. But was it a planned thing or was just consequence of the difficult acts in the transfer market? (mistake or not, i'll explain what I think further down)
Moutinho was an exciting prospect for many of us. Signing for the amount Sporting is expecting would put us in trouble because of mistakes number 1 and 2. We'd have no money to strengthen other areas of the squad. But he would be a valuable addiction in any case. The mistake in here was to pass the idea he was our one and only target, almost our saviour.
The cash...we still have it and brought in players for free (at least for now). I have my doubts about bringing in 3 strikers when we have already 3, but I'll just give Moyes credit and wait to see what happens before shouting anything bad. (another mistake or not..)
Poor start of the league, after losing to Blackburn some doubts have risen between you my fellow evertonians. I never had any doubt we'd beat WBA. The Pompey defeat is something I saw coming, they are a very good side with a number of very good players. Apart the Blackburn (a team I think is [Poor language removed]) defeat I have no problems with this start of the season but it sets some points to preview our final position... we won't be in contention for CL football, probably a finish within the top ten won't be too bad.
About the mistakes or not, well the kids are something I like but was this a planed thing? And the money we didn't spend?
Well, I have no problems if they come out and say we're sticking with the kids and we'll save the money for something worthwhile. Or if they said we're not signing in numbers but we'll bring in quality to step to the next level.
But they have passed the idea that we'd be challenging for honours and for CL football. Then, by not signing anybody came the moaning by Moyes and BK also.
What I see is that we didn't have any sort of backup plan for the season. Nobody thought that things could get tough. So now we're signing in numbers because the only plan they had failed. And this worries me and makes me think the kids and the money were mistakes... we only took a chance on them because we couldn't get the players we wanted, meaning we never thought they were ready for the challenge, and we didn't spend the money not because we chose to but because we couldn't get the targets for different reasons.
In a simple phrase we're not following any sort of map, it seems to me that we are walking with our eyes shut, and that is a worry.
But on the other hand, Moyes has some good work to support him. I'll wait and see if he can steer this ship under an unexpected storm.
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GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
I think what is pissing most people off, is Kenwright making that statement, and then going on telly looking off his head on SSN.
Its bad enough those cocks across the way have loads on us, we don't need Kenwright adding fuel. And yes I am bothered about what the RS say.
Its bad enough those cocks across the way have loads on us, we don't need Kenwright adding fuel. And yes I am bothered about what the RS say.
Cold Nate
Player Valuation: £500k
I`ll give it a shot. How is the team that much different than last year`s 5th place team? AJ didn`t do that much last year (even though i was always in favor of keeping him), we`ll miss Carsley but he was on the bad side of the age curve, and Fernandes honestly wasn`t as good for last half season as he was the year before.
Other than that, all the young guys have a year more experience, Howard and the defense will eventually gel together better than ever, and hopefully we`ll eventually see more of vaughn and cahill than injuries allowed last year. Plus Arteta seems to be in better form than last year.
How`s that? Does that talk anyone down off the ledge?
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
Well for me mate, its always been about the discontent coming from the corridors of power. The resigned look on the managers face, the unanswered reasons for Wyness leaving as he did. The promises of new faces not really fulfilled.
I can understand you looking for a silver lining, and I suppose its there in a way. I just think its a culmination of many things wrong with the club.
If we are to compete on the field, we need to do that off the field. Watching Spurs today, they looked impressive in parts, and really tore into Chelsea. Early indications are pointing towards us not moving forward.
Fingers crossed though.
I can understand you looking for a silver lining, and I suppose its there in a way. I just think its a culmination of many things wrong with the club.
If we are to compete on the field, we need to do that off the field. Watching Spurs today, they looked impressive in parts, and really tore into Chelsea. Early indications are pointing towards us not moving forward.
Fingers crossed though.
linglong
Player Valuation: £25m
Hard to disagree with you
Cold Nate
Player Valuation: £500k
Yeah, the level of quiet confidence of last year seems to be gone from around the club. Think what you want of Kirkby, but the issue has weakened the club just because of all the attention it has taken away from everything else. I have to agree with you there. But for the players on the field, if they can get past the distractions, we could be ok. Maybe not doing great, but definately not a f*cking joke...
Ghost, I don't have a problem with people complaining about the club. But I do have a problem when people imply that they love it more than others, they know more than others, that their opinions are worth more than others. But you're right, it shouldn't be personal so back on topic:
DM - he's not a stupid man. I think he sees what has happened and it's part of the reason he's still here and still making encouraging but confusing noises about the club. I think he's incredibly frustrated and he's reacted on occasion in a childish manner. (And I think he's used up some credit with the fans by doing so, look for the TW boo-boys from three years ago to be back in force). He could walk, he could stay. (Again, personally, I think he brought in Round for grooming anyway.)
Finally, can we accept that we are all pissed off about the same things and have different opinions and that not everyone who disagrees with us is a know-nothing knobhead? Especially in the next 48 hours?
- the western economy is going to [Poor language removed]
- anyone whose credit is overextended is in a world of hurt
- football clubs generally have credit problems
- EFC in particular have mortgaged whatever they could to get to the achievements of the past few years
- banks are in deep trouble themselves and having to correct their own books
- "investors" in football clubs generally buy on credit (see Americans)
- unless they are cash-rich which usually means dubious business practices (see Russians and Thai)
- having got themselves to a globally visible state (see #4), EFC must attract investment
- investors look for a return on their investment (income or prestige)
- income is based on club receipts and TV money
- TV money is based on advertising, which is even more [Poor language removed] than the general economy and is forecast to be that way for the next few years
- club receipts can be increased by a) selling players b ) increasing other turnover (namely a new ground)
- a new ground requires investment (especially if it is not partially funded from other sources)
- earmarking potential ground investment funds takes away from other potential expenditure and/or investments (transfers, for example, although our current transfers are more expenditure than investment)
DM - he's not a stupid man. I think he sees what has happened and it's part of the reason he's still here and still making encouraging but confusing noises about the club. I think he's incredibly frustrated and he's reacted on occasion in a childish manner. (And I think he's used up some credit with the fans by doing so, look for the TW boo-boys from three years ago to be back in force). He could walk, he could stay. (Again, personally, I think he brought in Round for grooming anyway.)
Finally, can we accept that we are all pissed off about the same things and have different opinions and that not everyone who disagrees with us is a know-nothing knobhead? Especially in the next 48 hours?
Great post, I think your right with regards the impact of the credit crunch. The light at the end of the tunnel is that the redshite are in even worse nick when it comes to their exposure.
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
I am not implying I love the club more than others, I was just saying I take it personally and allow it to bother me more than others. And there are people worse than me.
There are guys on this forum who are refusing to be disappointed by events, and that's up to them. Were all ready to jump down the throats of Cal and HB, me included. But the longer this debacle goes on, the more they are looking justified in their attitudes.
What you have said though is the more likely chain of events, but like I have said on many threads, this club is not run well. Its ran by the heart and not the head. Bill Kenwright is a theatre impressario, he's not a football chairman. He's a big Everton fan, he's not a football chairman.
He really has no money, so why is he even there?
We are in a mess, and there is nothing we can do is there? I'm kind of hoping that they reverse all that has happened over the past 3 years. Stop messing around out-sourcing everything and bring it all in-house.
That for me would be job no.1
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