Pat Nevin Signing

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Kev50 said:
he sold Hinchcliffe and Speed for hefty fees, and wasn't allowed to bring anyone in other than for buttons. I can't get my hands on the specifics after all this time but remember clearly we had a surplus of around £4.5 m. he got used to staying in the training ground when he was in Spain, big deal. His fall out with Speed, yes let's not go there, but Gary insisted on a move last day of the window when we were facing relegation. Not great. So Howard had a lot to deal with, a crap team, no money, desertion by the captain, and he still steered the ship home under the watch of an extremely unsupportive chairman. I remember the football from the year before, Howard's was a distinct improvement on that, as would be expected. He was after all a brilliant coach. Thumping Liverpool among others. And his thanks for all of that was not another go, but instant dismissal. Triffic.
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Gary Speed had ti sign a non disclosure contract, which he kept to, not because of the contract but because he was a true Blue. Gary was taking the training loads of sessions, while Howard was sleeping it off, desertion by Speed, don’t think so, far from it. Let me know how much he got for Hinchcliffe and Speed, he steered the ship home, it limped home full of holes, although Howard did say, at the end of the season “ I thought I did a very good job” well you would have agreed with that, I looked at the sky and shrugged. His thanks for that disaster was two or three years pay for one year of not coping with the job, because he wasn’t capable for very sad reasons. Wasn’t Joe Royle the manager the year before that one, Howard became a very good manager the day Colin Harvey was appointed coach, which was the day after the leaflets were handed out before a league cup tie which we scraped through.Who appointed Howard that third time he came back?
 

Cameron Manning said:
Gary Speed had ti sign a non disclosure contract, which he kept to, not because of the contract but because he was a true Blue. Gary was taking the training loads of sessions, while Howard was sleeping it off, desertion by Speed, don’t think so, far from it. Let me know how much he got for Hinchcliffe and Speed, he steered the ship home, it limped home full of holes, although Howard did say, at the end of the season “ I thought I did a very good job” well you would have agreed with that, I looked at the sky and shrugged. His thanks for that disaster was two or three years pay for one year of not coping with the job, because he wasn’t capable for very sad reasons. Wasn’t Joe Royle the manager the year before that one, Howard became a very good manager the day Colin Harvey was appointed coach, which was the day after the leaflets were handed out before a league cup tie which we scraped through.Who appointed Howard that third time he came back?
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he got £4.5 for Speed alone. it was probably about 3 for hinchcliffe. And buttons coming in. he took over a team that limped in the previous year. And was given nothing to spend, if fact he brought in a surplus. So you think that somebody who takes over a relegation threatened team deserves the sack if they don't improve considerably on that the following season, with no money? ok. Even if he's a legend at the club? ok. His career never recovered for this treatment, before then he was very well regarded. Speed did enormous damage to his reputation. he was himself a damaged individual, so I'm not going to criticise him, but howard had a nightmare to deal with that season. Oh, and he was a genius. The most fantastic employee in Everton's long line. Colin Harvey didn't make howard a good manager, he was lalready that.
 
StreetEndBlue said:
That didn't happen because the January transfer window didn't even exist in 1998. The first ever January transfer window was in 2003.

And I can't agree with your earlier comment about us playing good football in Howard's third stint. That 97/98 team was by far the worst Everton side I've seen by some distance. So bad it survived relegation only on goal difference.
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fair enough on the window point. He still jumped when we were on the middle of a difficult run to go and work with Dogleash. Peter Reid sure as hel wouldn't have done that. And you rate Mike Walker's team and Walter's finall season above Howard's? WEll, ieach to their own.
 

Kev50 said:
he got £4.5 for Speed alone. it was probably about 3 for hinchcliffe. And buttons coming in. he took over a team that limped in the previous year. And was given nothing to spend, if fact he brought in a surplus. So you think that somebody who takes over a relegation threatened team deserves the sack if they don't improve considerably on that the following season, with no money? ok. Even if he's a legend at the club? ok. His career never recovered for this treatment, before then he was very well regarded. Speed did enormous damage to his reputation. he was himself a damaged individual, so I'm not going to criticise him, but howard had a nightmare to deal with that season. Oh, and he was a genius. The most fantastic employee in Everton's long line. Colin Harvey didn't make howard a good manager, he was lalready that.
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They didn’t improve considerably, they got worse, the money he brought in has gone from£5M down to £4.5M and now up to £7.5M probably, your word. His career had gone south before he came back for this third spell. Speed did enormous damage to his reputation? Speed was the one who suffered, he was the innocent party in that affair, and got booed every time he came back to Everton with Newcastle, when Gary passed away Kendall put a three line piece at the bottom of the column he wrote in the Echo at the time, Gary , let’s be honest wasn’t a damaged individual at the time he left Everton, Colin Harvey was an average manager but a fantastic coach and Everton certainly improved the day he was appointed, and Peter Reid started getting selected regulary after he came on that night in the league cup and changed the flow of the game, and Howard made a great signing in Andy Gray which of course helped considerably. Oh he also signed Garrett Farrelly at the start of that season and his goal earned us the point that kept us up on the last day of the season, Chelsea beating Bolton on the last day of the season also changed our destiny, if Bolton had got a draw that would have as well. Oh and he was a genius, well if having four fabulous seasons out of many makes him a genius, well I won’t argue too much with that, because they certainly made me very happy, sorry I can’t say the same for his last two goes as manager.
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Cameron Manning said:
They didn’t improve considerably, they got worse, the money he brought in has gone from£5M down to £4.5M and now up to £7.5M probably, your word. His career had gone south before he came back for this third spell. Speed did enormous damage to his reputation? Speed was the one who suffered, he was the innocent party in that affair, and got booed every time he came back to Everton with Newcastle, when Gary passed away Kendall put a three line piece at the bottom of the column he wrote in the Echo at the time, Gary , let’s be honest wasn’t a damaged individual at the time he left Everton, Colin Harvey was an average manager but a fantastic coach and Everton certainly improved the day he was appointed, and Peter Reid started getting selected regulary after he came on that night in the league cup and changed the flow of the game, and Howard made a great signing in Andy Gray which of course helped considerably. Oh he also signed Garrett Farrelly at the start of that season and his goal earned us the point that kept us up on the last day of the season, Chelsea beating Bolton on the last day of the season also changed our destiny, if Bolton had got a draw that would have as well. Oh and he was a genius, well if having four fabulous seasons out of many makes him a genius, well I won’t argue too much with that, because they certainly made me very happy, sorry I can’t say the same for his last two goes as manager.
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jeez, read it again. I didn't say they improved considerably. I didn't say the surplus changed, I said what the incomings were. my word? oh my word. Speed suffered depression since childhood. How do you know he was the innocent party. You seem happy to trash the reputation of the greatest evertonian that has ever lived, to score cheap points about kipping in the training ground, and other rubbish. I'd love to see you take over Everton in 1980 and wrestle power back from the red juggernaut when they were winning European cups. Maybe you should reflect a little more on his achievements, I mean you have been watching us for the last thirty five years, that period in the 80s it was different, in a godd way. Well, that was him. All him.
 
Kev50 said:
jeez, read it again. I didn't say they improved considerably. I didn't say the surplus changed, I said what the incomings were. my word? oh my word. Speed suffered depression since childhood. How do you know he was the innocent party. You seem happy to trash the reputation of the greatest evertonian that has ever lived, to score cheap points about kipping in the training ground, and other rubbish. I'd love to see you take over Everton in 1980 and wrestle power back from the red juggernaut when they were winning European cups. Maybe you should reflect a little more on his achievements, I mean you have been watching us for the last thirty five years, that period in the 80s it was different, in a godd way. Well, that was him. All him.
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Yes I have been reading your posts, you said did I expect them to improve considerably after being so poor the year before, I replied that they got wors, to the point that they were very nearly relegated.Gary suffered depression since childhood ? Never heard that one before. He was the innocent party in that he was doing his best taking training and covering for the manager. They are not cheap points about the greatest Evertonianthat has ever lived, Bill Kenwright won’t like you for saying that!! Kev I think you better read my first post again and the second one, I gave Howard ample praise for those four years when he gave us back our prid, Inalso mention his fantastic ability as a player, I’ll never, ever, stop praising him for all the years he played for us. Kev I’d say you idolise Kendall, nothing wrong with that, but you are wearing blinkers over the second and third times he managed Everton, especially the third time.I won’t argue about the first time too much,but it wasn’t all him, we had a great coach and some of the players weren’t too bad either.
 
Cameron Manning said:
Yes I have been reading your posts, you said did I expect them to improve considerably after being so poor the year before, I replied that they got wors, to the point that they were very nearly relegated.Gary suffered depression since childhood ? Never heard that one before. He was the innocent party in that he was doing his best taking training and covering for the manager. They are not cheap points about the greatest Evertonianthat has ever lived, Bill Kenwright won’t like you for saying that!! Kev I think you better read my first post again and the second one, I gave Howard ample praise for those four years when he gave us back our prid, Inalso mention his fantastic ability as a player, I’ll never, ever, stop praising him for all the years he played for us. Kev I’d say you idolise Kendall, nothing wrong with that, but you are wearing blinkers over the second and third times he managed Everton, especially the third time.I won’t argue about the first time too much,but it wasn’t all him, we had a great coach and some of the players weren’t too bad either.
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well I think we've both said our piece on this. One point though, having watched footy since Howard I think now more than ever that the success of a club can be laid at the manager's door. Take that guy out, it all falls apart. Put a good guy in there, and everyone improves. You can see that with Carlo.
 

Steve Wigan said:
He once pulled a friend of mine in a night club in Preston, when he was on the booze with George Best. Him and Besty were in this club all the time. Could have been Squires, or the Warehouse, but I'm not sure.
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It was probably still called Raiders back then and it sounds like the sort pf place he might have gone in being into Joy Division and stuff.
 
Kev50 said:
fair enough on the window point. He still jumped when we were on the middle of a difficult run to go and work with Dogleash. Peter Reid sure as hel wouldn't have done that. And you rate Mike Walker's team and Walter's finall season above Howard's? WEll, ieach to their own.
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Neither Walker's nor Smith's teams were so bad they only managed to avoid the drop on goal difference.

The majority of Walkers side went on to win the FA Cup the following season under Royle.
 
PITA said:
I was at that game. Didn’t we destroy them in the first half 3-0 but they came back in the second half and we ended up with a squeaky bottom 3-2 win.
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You're only right !
Was there myself but it seems I completely forgot the last 30 odd minutes !
 

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