What, so they can play judge, jury and executioner at will? I doubt many minorities or women would feel safe with police getting any additional powers given they patently lack the responsibility to wield the power they already have.
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Charlie Sweet
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If all police wear bodycams and there's video proof of disrespect and verbal abuse that's all it should take.
Yes, that fixes everything
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Not really.
The principles of good policing were set out nearly 200 years ago, and any discussion about whether or not a police force is "good" should really use that framework in the absence of any better one.
I'm a law abiding citizen. Never committed a crime, never been in trouble, never want to be involved in any bother. I even have a chat with officers at the match sometimes and am always polite to them
I know some current and former police officers and they are sound people who try/tried to do the job properly. Everyone of them could probably tell you some horror stories about some of the people they worked with who were not fit to wear the uniform
Bad cops are why increasing police powers would be a huge mistake, as there are still too many of them
Doesn't matter if you give them all bodycams either. How much damage can they do before the footage gets looked at? How much misery can they inflict on someone before they get pulled up for it, if at all? How many people can they bully, mistreat or even worse before they face discipline?
You can be the most well behaved person in the world, but all it takes is for you to get the wrong cop on the wrong day and, under your desired rules, you could be spending 24 hours in the cells for "abusing" a police officer when you've done nothing of the sort. 24 seconds being unjustly locked up is too many, let alone 24 hours
I wonder how your opinion would change, if at all, if you ended up being on the wrong side of the wrong copper on the wrong day?
The last thing we need to be doing right now is letting police officers have more power
Charlie Sweet
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I appreciate the reply. I've never been in trouble with the police and certainly hope to keep it that way. For me the issue comes down to respect - where you see people so blatantly being verbally abusive to police as a matter of course I feel there should be zero tolerance and that step change would be good for society. Couple that with enhanced checks on existing police, better recruitment and we should get a better service out of it.
I thought it was antagonism so decided against reply, my line was "where the coppers have failed to police themselves, who are they fit to police?"
I thought the claim that it's only criminals and law breakers who think the police need to behave better was especially questionable to be honest
It says a lot when you're a law abiding citizen and you get nervy when the police are around because you know with some of them it doesn't matter. If they want there to be a problem then there's going to be one
As you say, the police need to do a better job policing themselves. For what it's worth, I know police officers who would be just as disgusted by this stuff as the rest of us are. We need more of them and less of the bad apples
I think there is a culture of being a 'team player' and that has bled into regularly turning a blind eye to the misdemeanors of fellow uniforms. Also that because this attitude has been in place for decades, it is business as usual regardless of politicians talking tough and as many protests as you like. I hear often it's only a few bad apples, I think to the contrary, that there are a few good apples and throwing them into a rotten barrel eventually taints them.
Institutionally racist, homophobic, misogynist and corrupt.
With ever growing evidence of criminality and scandal the wedge between the thin blue line and society en mass is become an insurmountable chasm.
I concede it is a very tough job to do it correctly, and I've seen enough corners cut and skiving and hiding from work in regular day to day life to consider policing some form of 'cut above', regardless of how much expectation is pressured onto the role.
Maybe everyone camera'img everything and everyone is the way forward, a police state by technological consent and total participation.
They aren't vocal enough, though. Whether they are scared of speaking out, or are reticent to speak out against a fellow brother in arms, it's one of the bigger problems we have in rooting out the "bad cops". Silence and lack of accountability breeds more bad cops
Small update: A sixth police officer involved in the events in the murder of Tyre Nichols has been fired. officer preston hemphill had 'violated multiple department policies' including stun gun deployment rules. Hopefully this piece of work gets the murder charge his involvement clearly requires.
God bless america.
God bless america.
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