On football and identity: what does it mean to be a female Muslim football fan?

[Pat's Van]

Jay is a Lebanese Christian male who never been in UK in his life

oops soz jay, didn't realise

you Beirut ?

 

[lmurkder]

within the constructs of white supremacy

Hmmm.

I find these comments a little troubling.

 

[Allezfan]

A distrust of men in general, entirely unfounded by reason.

Statistically men commit like 90% of violent crimes.

I'm not sure a distrust of men isn't founded by reason.

 

[lmurkder]

I hmmm'ed at this too. She admits on her Twitter that "everything is political". Which, when considering how her identity is tied with her appearance, combined with her curiosity and intellect, isn't surprising.

What we may have interpreted as daft bantz, she interprets as politically-motivated discrimination. Then amplifies it enough to namecheck "white supremacy".

Out of order, in my opinion. And tarnishes her article somewhat, which is otherwise fine. But again considering her 'identity', it's understandable how she makes that leap.


Like a lot of modern feminists (brown or otherwise), there's a militancy in their preaching. A distrust of men in general, entirely unfounded by reason. But we being the reasonable men we are should just calmly debate, rather than clash. In time, even the most ultra of feminists will calm down and warm up a little.


On the other side of the debate (and outside of Evertonians generally), there is a problem with gender violence and racism in the UK still. This is something she is fighting against, which can only be a good thing:

Still I don't think its appropriate to somehow be linking Everton with gender violence. Or 'white supremacy' which is nonsensical anyway with Everton either.

This is a social not Everton issue.


Also Everton have previously been wrongly tarnished as a 'racist club'

Still is MALICIOUSLY by fans supporting Arsenal for instance.

 

[Shaun4658]

Come to the game. I'll sit with you.

 

[dholliday]

Statistically men commit like 90% of violent crimes.

I'm not sure a distrust of men isn't founded by reason.

While true, only about 1% of men commit such crimes.

The other 99% of us are good eggs, women should not be afraid.

This is a social not Everton issue.

agree there, murk (can i still call you murk?).

Also Everton have previously been wrongly tarnished as a 'racist club'

Still is MALICIOUSLY by fans supporting Arsenal for instance.

It's a nonsense for sure, fuelled by the coincidence that we were the last topflight club to field a black man for the first time (Amokachi).

Happy to be corrected in that last sentence, but that's my understanding.

 

[lmurkder]

Statistically men commit like 90% of violent crimes.

I'm not sure a distrust of men isn't founded by reason.

Sociopathy is thought to be 50:50 in the population of all sociopaths. Just the majority identified are male. The females hide better.

It's just female sociopathic behaviour isn't identified. Or is looked at by society as being ok. Or gets sympathy.

Since they play to gender preconceptions particularly the 'weaker sex' one to illicit sympathy.

The damage caused is as bad as male sociopathy.


Again. Not sure why she's linked Everton to all this.

 

[Allezfan]

While true, only about 1% of men commit such crimes.

The other 99% of us are good eggs, women should not be afraid.

Not true, like 1 out of 4 women will be abused in her lifetime and 1 in 5 women raped. It always makes me laugh when people go on about the irrational feminist distrust of men as if every society to ever exist hasn't treat women worse than men. it's about as unfounded and irrational as the jewish distrust of germans.

Happy to be corrected in that last sentence, but that's my understanding.

Cliff Marshall 1973.

 

[dholliday]

Sociopathy is thought to be 50:50

It's actually not. Violent behaviour inherently exists more in men than women.

That, coupled with the extra physical strength of men, is the reason why violence againt women is a real problem.

 

[Big Doug]

if I was a woman I wouldn't leave the house after dark with nutters like Big Doug around oh no

 

[dholliday]

Not true, like 1 out of 4 women will be abused in her lifetime and 1 in 5 women raped. It always makes me laugh when people go on about the irrational feminist distrust of men as if every society to ever exist hasn't treat women worse than men. it's about as unfounded and irrational as the jewish distrust of germans.

Godwin??

Some of these comments (including mine) needs some links to back up da stats.

 

[dholliday]

Cliff Marshall 1973.

Didn't know about him...cheers

 

[janaaa]

Like a lot of modern feminists (brown or otherwise), there's a militancy in their preaching. A distrust of men in general, entirely unfounded by reason. But we being the reasonable men we are should just calmly debate, rather than clash. In time, even the most ultra of feminists will calm down and warm up a little.

Modern feminists, whatever their colour or ethnicity, are militant and harbour an unfounded distrust of men? You can dismiss the thoughts and feelings of millions of women in a few broad brush strokes?

Jesus.

 

[Allezfan]

Godwin??

Some of these comments (including mine) needs some links to back up da stats.

Anyway Cliff Marshall was black and joined us in 1973. Plus Trebilcock was coloured and joined in 65.

 

[edge]

Cliff Marshall 1973.[/QUOTE 1966 double scorer was according to kopites.