Munich Shooting

[nsno-chris]

Nothing to back it up? I've just given you several examples, mister.

So tell me, why are the 'moderates' not doing anything?

Because as muslims they won't feel the effect of having an islamic state or even a caliphate imposed on them as much as a non-muslim. Passive subjugation imo.

And you really could do with keeping your tone in check, don't speak to me like a subordinate.

If you had taken time to read my post you would have seen that my main point if concern was the reference to all Muslim's, which is completely ignorant. That's what I was referring to with regrada to "nothing to back it up".

You literally have no idea what's going on with any moderators, the same way I don't. You make statements like "all muslims won't feel the impact of having an islamic state imposed on them"; what an absolute crock of BS, yeah I'm sure all those men and women fighting this now will be more than happy to just give in and have that imposed into them.

Pure BS

 

[SNova]

We are not simply talking about those who commit the attacks.

 

[longers]

The fact they are going to kill a lot of people trying to establish a European caliphate isn't up for debate either.

Who said it wasn't up for debate ? They aren't going to get even remotely close to succeeding though are they, its a lose cause and they know it.

You seem to be under the impression that because i don't think muslims are inherently violent people i think ISIS are sound as well.

Oh well that's alright then innit?

All those people killed in the UK, France, Germany, Spain and elsewhere can rest easy that there'll never be an islamic europe. The rest of us non-muslims have nothing to fear from their 'hi-jinks'

Jesus wept.

Who said it was alright ? you seemingly can't debate rationally because you're too wound up about the subject to think clearly hence you posted the single most ridiculous thing in this entire thread when you tried to claim that muslims won't feel the effects of a caliphate as much as westerners.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Conclusions:
2) when the killings get to a number where we begin talking about actual civil war I expect the next graph from you will be showing us that during World War 2 there were far more deaths.

???

I've posted only two graphs on the subject of violent deaths and how they compare to previous periods in recent history and one of them was as a response to a specific data request from you!
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/turkey.89798/page-17#post-4681505

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

And you really could do with keeping your tone in check, don't speak to me like a subordinate.

If you had taken time to read my post you would have seen that my main point if concern was the reference to all Muslim's, which is completely ignorant. That's what I was referring to with regrada to "nothing to back it up".

You literally have no idea what's going on with any moderators, the same way I don't. You make statements like "all muslims won't feel the impact of having an islamic state imposed on them"; what an absolute crock of BS, yeah I'm sure all those men and women fighting this now will be more than happy to just give in and have that imposed into them.

Pure BS

You talk about 'Pure BS' but you'll insert words like 'all' before the word 'muslims' to add emphasis to your sorry attempt to portray me as generalising.

I never said 'ALL muslims' so don't even bother with that one. You'll do me the courtesy of taking note that I said previously it was millions as opposed to the lot of them. And you knew full well I was on about those muslims (worldwide) who are doing sod-all about their 'brothers and sisters' within IS.

And tbh, I doubt the rest of them in the UK would fight for their (british) way of life.

 

[DownOnTheUpside]

the issue here is the islam itself

if moderate muslims are so 'moderate' then they should have no problems renouncing islam
this religion is starting to annoy me now, it's so unnecessary to continue to bend a modern society to accommodate islam simply because it's followers are noisy

 

[jaycee]

Lots of muslims have condemned the attacks just that msm dont see it as newsworthy,the YPG are muslims fighting and pushing back IS, the USA and Britain have no qualm in doing business with the main funders of IS,

 

[dholliday]

???

I've posted only two graphs on the subject of violent deaths and how they compare to previous periods in recent history and one of them was as a response to a specific data request from you!
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/turkey.89798/page-17#post-4681505

You can tag me if you'd like me to see certain posts. About the Turkey thread, yes, and I responded to your first graph showing otherwise (in terms of mass killings). I didn't get any further response but you posting such a graph again in this thread means you are pushing your opinion that we shouldn't worry too much as the past was worse.

I don't think this is very helpful.

As the famous quote goes: the past is a foreign country.

 

[longers]

the issue here is the islam itself

if moderate muslims are so 'moderate' then they should have no problems renouncing islam
this religion is starting to annoy me now, it's so unnecessary to continue to bend a modern society to accommodate islam simply because it's followers are noisy

Why should 1.6 billion renounce their religion because of a tiny percentage of whoppers ?

Countless muslims are appalled by the rise of Islamic extremism, why wouldn't they be ? They are the biggest casualties of Islamic extremism.

The western world has a field day relative to the middle east when it comes to Islamic terrorist attacks.

 

[DownOnTheUpside]

Why should 1.6 billion renounce their religion because of a tiny percentage of whoppers ?

Countless muslims are appalled by the rise of Islamic extremism, why wouldn't they be ? They are the biggest casualties of Islamic extremism.

The western world has a field day relative to the middle easy when it comes to Islamic terrorist attacks.

because islam is totally unnecessary in 2016

 

[longers]

because islam is totally unnecessary in 2016

Who are you to decide that ? The same can be argued of any religion anyway.

 

[DownOnTheUpside]

Who are you to decide that ? The same can be argued of any religion anyway.

yes but most of those religions aren't causing problems

 

[LinekersLegs]

You can tag me if you'd like me to see certain posts. About the Turkey thread, yes, and I responded to your first graph showing otherwise (in terms of mass killings). I didn't get any further response but you posting such a graph again in this thread means you are pushing your opinion that we shouldn't worry too much as the past was worse.

I don't think this is very helpful.

As the famous quote goes: the past is a foreign country.

If the past is a foreign country and its data irrelevant to now why were you interested in it initially? And I did respond to your first reply, just not your second follow up. However that was because I was a bit skeptical of your statement

...that along with the dramatic increase of mass killings - not just perception of, but real immense increase'

but didn't have any data to base it on which is why I kept an eye out for data showing recent terrorist activity compared to previous years and posted the second chart!

You seem to be assuming that because I've posted data indicating overall terrorist deaths were higher in previous decades that I believe things are all just rosy now, but not sure why you jump to that conclusion.

Don't think I have ever said we shouldn't worry, for a start the terrorist deaths in previous years were committed by a broad range of groups (IRA, basque separatists etc) who all had different motivations (and therefore possible solutions to reduce the violence) whilst the most recent uptick has largely been from ISIS. There has also been a clear change in tactics, don't recall the IRA et al using many suicide bombers and those by their very nature are much harder to defend against.

But yes, I do think asking how much social media increases our belief that these recent attacks are a huge uptick in overall violence is a valid question and I don't see how you do that without looking at the past. That doesn't mean there isn't a current problem.

How you solve the problem is a whole different question.

 

[Polish_Blue_Army]

 

[dholliday]

If the past is a foreign country and its data irrelevant to now why were you interested in it initially? And I did respond to your first reply, just not your second follow up. However that was because I was a bit skeptical of your statement

but didn't have any data to base it on which is why I kept an eye out for data showing recent terrorist activity compared to previous years and posted the second chart!

You seem to be assuming that because I've posted data indicating overall terrorist deaths were higher in previous decades that I believe things are all just rosy now, but not sure why you jump to that conclusion.

Don't think I have ever said we shouldn't worry, for a start the terrorist deaths in previous years were committed by a broad range of groups (IRA, basque separatists etc) who all had different motivations (and therefore possible solutions to reduce the violence) whilst the most recent uptick has largely been from ISIS. There has also been a clear change in tactics, don't recall the IRA et al using many suicide bombers and those by their very nature are much harder to defend against.

But yes, I do think asking how much social media increases our belief that these recent attacks are a huge uptick in overall violence is a valid question and I don't see how you do that without looking at the past. That doesn't mean there isn't a current problem.

How you solve the problem is a whole different question.

I did post data to back up that there is indeed a "huge uptick" in mass murder in the West. Agree otherwise with what you're trying to say here, glad you could confirm you're not trying to downplay anything.