Have to say I just don't see the same huge uptick in mass muder that you do in the data I've looked at.
What we can agree on is there is a current problem so perhaps we should just leave it at that.
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What we can agree on is there is a current problem so perhaps we should just leave it at that.
dholliday
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it's very obvious there is a huge increase in mass killings, I explained how in that post. Many more in the last 15 years than in the previous 50. It's difficult to not see that fact, so I'm not sure why you don't see it. Could be this denial process I mentioned earlier.
Check out this list and sort via year, can you seriously not see the trend?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers#Religious.2C_political_or_racial_crimes
Tigger
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Note to self, try harder to think like a maniac suicide bomber.
Sorry you are right, you clearly stated spree killings whereas I thought you were trying to make case that overall terrorist violence had increased, yet I also used the phrase mass killings for added confusion. Shouldn't try to multitask!
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What sort of response would that Preist's slaughter have been if it were in Poland?
dholliday
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Aye...I'm hoping to all the gods out there that this is just a phase, that society can soon get back to complaining about Greece's finances and Kim Kardashian's bum.
Another terrible terrorist incident by ISIS
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36902604
Worth remembering that something like 90% of all victims of ISIS terrorism are Muslims. It simply isn't the case that this is a war between Islam and the west as opposed to an extremist terrorist organisation behaving as most terrorist organisations do.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36902604
Worth remembering that something like 90% of all victims of ISIS terrorism are Muslims. It simply isn't the case that this is a war between Islam and the west as opposed to an extremist terrorist organisation behaving as most terrorist organisations do.
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IMO the response would be that innocent foreigners of dark skin who live here would have life even harder than already.
Polish people dont want islam in this country. And no one can sell the bulls... that multiculturalism is a good thing. In longer perspective it always lead to ethinical conflicts
Polish_Blue_Army
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Hopefully they will spare Dresden for at least the weekend
dholliday
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Multi-culturalism is a good thing. It's healthy and vital. People should mix more.
Islam is not a good thing, especially too much of it. Islam in secular societies is a bad thing. Nothing multi-cultural about it.
It's a common mistake to think multi-culturalism = Islam in Europe. They're two very different concepts. The media are to blame as much as anyone for conflating them.
Polish_Blue_Army
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But islam in Europe is strong and exists because at one stage some people believed that multiculturalism will work out this time and wont lead to ethnical wars as it is always
It might work out when cultures were similar not complete opposite
Do you want to tell Mo Besic?
dholliday
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I could ask him his thoughts on sharia law, Turkey's recent developments, if religion should be a choice, apostacy, his sister eloping with a non-believer, if we should grant homosexuals equal rights, whether forcing sex with his wife is acceptable, if women should have the freedom to go out get drunk and pull, if he views any criticism of his religion as aggressive heresy and thus whether Theo Van Gogh deserved a knife in his back.
A kind of litmus test, if you will.
Individuals, or small communities or groups, with rather inhumane opinions is a price we pay for freedom of speech. Large, influential and organised (via Hadith interpretations especially) sections of society believing such begins to raise questions as to whether such beliefs are compatible & healthy for our society.
Differences within Islamic Nation States has led to the kind of bloody civil war Western society left behind long ago. We have to be wary of importing this.
For there may come a time when nationalised Muslims are numerous enough (due to higher birth-rates) to want to establish their own political party, which could then be voted in as part of a coalition.
Theresa May believes Sharia has been beneficial to many British Muslims. This opinion shouldn't pass unnoticed.
Disclaimer: i'm traditionally left-liberal and believe in freedom of choice & equal rights as long as there's no victim (voted LibDems while in the UK). I believe people should mix a lot more, make more racially/culturally-mixed babies. I support all Muslim victims of violence (especially the Palestinians, Bosnians and Afghani/Syrian/Pakistani victims of state-sponsored atrocities). I also support looking after genuine war refugees, especially families, women and children. And I recognise and respect Muslims who answer my hypothetical questions in a humane liberal fashion.
With their being over a billion of them, and almost all of their nation states failing badly, you'd think we ought to get quite varied responses.
Conclusion: Islam needs a cultural revolution (as we had in the Age of Enlightenment). For Muslims to have a chance, its nation states need the West to stop meddling, giving them time and space to develop. Their cultural growth will filter through to the millions of settled migrants in the West, leading to more harmony.
If this doesn't happen, then we may have problems and much less considered wording to describe them.
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