Moyes - should he stay or should he go?

[evertony]

Its all so predictable with Moyes, and to be fair with Everton in general.
We have a 'nearly there' mentality which will never reach 'there' as long as we employ old-hat managers in the ilk of Moyes, Allardyce, Dyche and Benitez. Who honestly wants to spend their hard-earned cash watching that, and wasting so many hours at weekends and other unsociable times like Monday nights?

I endure it because I have a good crack at the game with the lads we go with, and always enjoy the physical thing of being at the game....but the football is woeful and its draining and it doesn't change. We get a few fresher players and think 'here we go' but then whichever dullard is in charge of team selection plays the old sets of safe hands. We've got players who get picked week-in week -out despite looking like they're jogging in treacle. It's supposed to be entertainment - if I wanted pain and abject misery I'd nail my sack to a fence and sprinkle it with vinegar.

And that's not a knee-jerk reaction to a Derby loss, because in general we always lose the Derby, especially when there's a decent reward for a win. Shake the fella's hand at the end of the season, get him a cab to Celtic, and lets at least try and entertain.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Realistically he has had 1.5 trasnfer windows (Jan is half a window as theres never any quality)

That's not stagnation, its improvement. Stagnation would be getting the same results next season.

We are 1 point off 6th

Which is what is going to happen because he’s not improving anything!

 

[Pootsy]

Which is what is going to happen because he’s not improving anything!

So if we are 1 point off 6th next season you'll be kicking off again? I'd understand if we had blown 500m

 

[TheBigIguana]

So if we are 1 point off 6th next season you'll be kicking off again? I'd understand if we had blown 500m

If we’re a mid table side again yes it’ll be disappointing and another wasted season

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

You're right. Glasner told Palace he was leaving. Moyes kept Kenwright in the dark while signing a deal with United behind his back.

"Behind his back" ffs. Every man and his dog knew Moyes was going to Man Utd. If Kenwright was legitimately in the dark about it then he had no business running a school tuck shop, much less a top flight football club.

 

[woodsyni]

"Behind his back" ffs. Every man and his dog knew Moyes was going to Man Utd. If Kenwright was legitimately in the dark about it then he had no business running a school tuck shop, much less a top flight football club.

Here, school tuck shops are harder to run than you think - thievin' little gets!

 

[Bedfordblue]

"Behind his back" ffs. Every man and his dog knew Moyes was going to Man Utd. If Kenwright was legitimately in the dark about it then he had no business running a school tuck shop, much less a top flight football club.

Apparently Moyes was ‘told’ by whiskey chops he was replacing him on the 7th May before announcing his retirement next day.
Utd then announced Moyes as his replacement on the 9th. May.
This was all while we had a contract on the table for him apparently.
This was published on 10th May where Moyes says he was going to extend and was planning his Everton pre season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22484074.

Glasner told Palace he wasn’t renewing in Oct last year.

So even if the true timeline started earlier than that, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say Moyes was a bit underhand, and certainly not as up front as Glasner was.

 

[Melcher]

Its all so predictable with Moyes, and to be fair with Everton in general.
We have a 'nearly there' mentality which will never reach 'there' as long as we employ old-hat managers in the ilk of Moyes, Allardyce, Dyche and Benitez. Who honestly wants to spend their hard-earned cash watching that, and wasting so many hours at weekends and other unsociable times like Monday nights?

I endure it because I have a good crack at the game with the lads we go with, and always enjoy the physical thing of being at the game....but the football is woeful and its draining and it doesn't change. We get a few fresher players and think 'here we go' but then whichever dullard is in charge of team selection plays the old sets of safe hands. We've got players who get picked week-in week -out despite looking like they're jogging in treacle. It's supposed to be entertainment - if I wanted pain and abject misery I'd nail my sack to a fence and sprinkle it with vinegar.

And that's not a knee-jerk reaction to a Derby loss, because in general we always lose the Derby, especially when there's a decent reward for a win. Shake the fella's hand at the end of the season, get him a cab to Celtic, and lets at least try and entertain.

This is exactly it.

I think Moyes is a really good manager who overall has done a good, sometimes great, job for us. But there's comes a point where it's time to move on.

Is football really about treading water? There's always the be careful what you wish for chat and I understand it to a point, but the other side of that is look what you could get if it goes well. I don't want to sit here having the same tired arguments in three or four years time as we go out the cups in the first or second round and struggle to 8th place playing cautious football. I want to see an Everton team that really believes it can take on anyone and I just don't think Moyes is the man to do it in the medium to long term. Football isn't life and death, so why not take a chance?

Whenever he goes it'll be a gamble. If it doesn't work out, well I still don't think we'd be relegated (because we could always get him back if we wanted to, you know he'd take it) and at least we'd have tried.

If he gets Europe then I'd give him next season but no contract extension. If that makes him a lame duck as manager then shake hands and thank him for his service.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Apparently Moyes was ‘told’ by whiskey chops he was replacing him on the 7th May before announcing his retirement next day.
Utd then announced Moyes as his replacement on the 9th. May.
This was all while we had a contract on the table for him apparently.
This was published on 10th May where Moyes says he was going to extend and was planning his Everton pre season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22484074.

Glasner told Palace he wasn’t renewing in Oct last year.

Your link doesn't seem to work for me unfortunately mate.

if Kenwright legitimately believed that Moyes was staying knowing that his contract was expiring and that Wisky nose was leaving then he was an even bigger moron then we all thought the old fool. It wasn't a big secret that Moyes was going to be the next Man Utd boss. Only Kenwright was surprised by the news. Everyone else long saw it coming.

 

[Drico]

"Behind his back" ffs. Every man and his dog knew Moyes was going to Man Utd. If Kenwright was legitimately in the dark about it then he had no business running a school tuck shop, much less a top flight football club.

Kenwright had no business ever running us, but tell that to the happy clappers who applauded him on the jumbotron.

Moyes should have been sacked the moment he hesitated on a new contract - or left depart at the end of the season with a statement of fact. Instead he was given a mortifying guard of honour no doubt in cahoots with "The Chairman". Kenwright's venality, however, is no cover for Moyes's mercenary behaviour.

Moyes had every right to do what he did. That's the game. They are all mercenaries. However, that also means that your differentiation between his behaviour and that of Glasner is a self-serving delusion.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Kenwright had no business ever running us, but tell that to the happy clappers who applauded him on the jumbotron.

Moyes should have been sacked the moment he hesitated on a new contract - or left depart at the end of the season with a statement of fact. Instead he was given a mortifying guard of honour no doubt in cahoots with "The Chairman". Kenwright's venality, however, is no cover for Moyes's mercenary behaviour.

Moyes had every right to do what he did. That's the game. They are all mercenaries. However, that also means that your differentiation between his behaviour and that of Glasner is a self-serving delusion.

Moyes left after eleven left for what was the biggest job in club world football at the time. Glasner is just leaving to tout himself around to the next club that he'll bin off within eighteen months.

 

[davek]

Its all so predictable with Moyes, and to be fair with Everton in general.
We have a 'nearly there' mentality which will never reach 'there' as long as we employ old-hat managers in the ilk of Moyes, Allardyce, Dyche and Benitez. Who honestly wants to spend their hard-earned cash watching that, and wasting so many hours at weekends and other unsociable times like Monday nights?

I endure it because I have a good crack at the game with the lads we go with, and always enjoy the physical thing of being at the game....but the football is woeful and its draining and it doesn't change. We get a few fresher players and think 'here we go' but then whichever dullard is in charge of team selection plays the old sets of safe hands. We've got players who get picked week-in week -out despite looking like they're jogging in treacle. It's supposed to be entertainment - if I wanted pain and abject misery I'd nail my sack to a fence and sprinkle it with vinegar.

And that's not a knee-jerk reaction to a Derby loss, because in general we always lose the Derby, especially when there's a decent reward for a win. Shake the fella's hand at the end of the season, get him a cab to Celtic, and lets at least try and entertain.

We have a manager and a lot of fans who view survival as the objective. I suspect the owners are happy with that too and wont want to try and push on.

It's a recipe for mediocrity that ill-fits this new stadium and all the expectations we had built around it being a platform for our return to the top table.

It's thoroughly depressing to know that the next 3 years or so is going to look like the scenario you sketched out above, but I think it will be that way.

In short: we're being put in the corner again and told it's too 'early' for a revival.

A false dawn.

 

[johnjoeefc]

We have a manager and a lot of fans who view survival as the objective. I suspect the owners are happy with that too and wont want to try and push on.

It's a recipe for mediocrity that ill-fits this new stadium and all the expectations we had built around it being a platform for our return to the top table.

It's thoroughly depressing to know that the next 3 years or so is going to look like the scenario you sketched out above, but I think it will be that way.

In short: we're being put in the corner again and told it's too 'early' for a revival.

A false dawn.

Maybe support city mate. They have a better chance of instant success. Im happy biding my time and watching the club grow because thats what it needs

 

[davek]

Maybe support city mate. They have a better chance of instant success. Im happy biding my time and watching the club grow because thats what it needs

How is telling an Evertonian to support City any sort of response?

I'm an Evertonian and I want this club to meet my expectations not me meet their degraded view of what Everton is.

 

[jago1878]

Maybe support city mate. They have a better chance of instant success. Im happy biding my time and watching the club grow because thats what it needs

Telling someone to go and support City because they'd like to see us show some ambition while saying you're happy to carry on being unsuccessful is genuinely one of the saddest things I've ever read.

Absolutely pathetic.