Current Affairs Missing woman in Lancashire

[Nymzee]

The issue is that it isn't the simple. I'll give a few examples I've heard today already: "It's only a mile away" Okay - a mile by the crow flies or in the river?

I have an inkling it'll be the former: "But, they've got sonar." I know Hollywood's depiction of things overstates stuff, but what do people think sonar is?

These aren't large, powerful sets, but rather small sets, which aren't likely to decipher the different between a large tree trunk/branch or other debris.

So, we're talking about a search of a river that's likely over a mile long between the hours of 9am - 4pm. If they searched every day over a three-week period...

... that's close to 74 m to search each day, so imagine if you're searching the river to the mouth. They'll have studied the weather, currents and lay of the river.

As I said earlier, this will be done with little to no visibility, so it's a fingertip search and done properly - no point in redoing it. That's very, very labour-intensive.

Without talking about this case, but as @tsubaki mentioned, a body can go under the water and not come back up for a period of time if caught in currents or debris.

In most cases, a body that's gone into water will be found when it comes back up; that's maybe not what people want to hear, yet that's how it actually is.

Now I know the Mersey is hugely different (large, tidal estuary), but they've found a few bodies over the years under the Pier Head that have been there for ages.

But I'm digressing. My overarching point is that the cops may have made mistakes, and if they have then they will eventually, and rightfully, get criticised.

However, most of the criticism from people is completely unfounded and based on little subject knowledge, with the press and social media fuelling it all.

I totally get the family believing she wasn't in the river because ultimately to admit that the river was the most likely scenario is to accept that she's likely dead.

Who'd want to do that? It's reasonable for them to have hope... but the rest of the dross out there who've chatted absolute unsubstantiated wham can do one.

I mean I’ll just add I don’t technically have social media and I don’t watch the news, so my original question was purely from my head. As complicated as it is I still don’t believe this should have taken so long (considering they didn’t find the body, a tip from the public did). I would like to know if they ever stopped exploring the river because they believed in another theory more.

 

[PhilM]

I mean I’ll just add I don’t technically have social media and I don’t watch the news, so my original question was purely from my head. As complicated as it is I still don’t believe this should have taken so long (considering they didn’t find the body, a tip from the public did). I would like to know if they ever stopped exploring the river because they believed in another theory more.

They’ll have found the body because it’ll likely have became exposed -e.g. free and visible. She was found at a private fishery owned by the civil service.

As I said, searching beneath the water is very difficult, but a body floating on the water is easy to see. It could* have been submerged until now.

The river was their key hypothesis and the search had reportedly moved upstream, closer to the sea, based on projections from experts. But..

… the projections can’t factor in the time a body may have been caught below the surface and eventually becoming free. So, back to the floating point.

They did importantly explore other avenues too, yet the evidence always suggested the river was the most likely scenario.

*will

 

[Charlie Sweet]

He was on every news channel going at some point mate. You will have to cast the net far wider than that....otherwise that statement is simply an example of confirmation bias towards your hatred of GB news. I know its the CA forum, but I would suggest your viewing of this case through a lens of political ideology is misplaced.

Fully agree with the sentiment in this thread his publicity became beyond tasteful, however I'm unsure how the discovery of a body after his search is somehow a validation of the idea that his initial involvement in the search was inappropriate?.... but I would add any kind of retrospective "told you so" comments are somewhat lacking in decorum.

What? Point me to one good person that has ever appeared on GB News?

Anyway the point is he was talking out of his hole. And trying to score publicity for his shoddy book at the family's expense. Vermin is too kind a description

 

[Rita_Poon]

Lets let the day pass when a bodies found. Been an ordeal this.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

What? Point me to one good person that has ever appeared on GB News?

Anyway the point is he was talking out of his hole. And trying to score publicity for his shoddy book at the family's expense. Vermin is too kind a description

Neville Southall.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I totally agree - I mentioned the book release a few days ago, as it preceded his GBNews cameo appearance by a day or two. It's all about his own gain!

Well, I don't think the money he will make from the book will add up to the long-term financial loss he'll make due to his misguided antics.

If a force is running an investigation that needs divers, are they going to enlist someone who is known to be a maverick, openly criticise and go to the press?

That's before the fact he never found her, although to be fair that's fairly irrelevant as neither did police divers. But, I suspect that was always going to be the case.

Still, it'll be a stick used to beat him with over and over, and rightfully the so... the bellend.

Difference is he was categorically stating he would easily find a body and latter there was no body in the river. The tit.

 

[slipstream86]

What? Point me to one good person that has ever appeared on GB News?

Anyway the point is he was talking out of his hole. And trying to score publicity for his shoddy book at the family's expense. Vermin is too kind a description

Good person? And you can define a good or bad person based on if they have ever appeared on a particular TV channel or not can you? By good, are you implying 'non-right wing'?....Anyhow, I have no idea, since I don't watch it, I can't claim to be as well researched in GB News as your good self. A quick google brings up numerous Labour MP's, charity workers, trade union officials, NHS workers.

I agree with you that on reflection, his motives for assisting with the search were influenced by the upcoming release of his book. My point is that at the time I wrote the posts you quoted, you had no knowledge of his book...It wasn't mentioned in this thread until PhilM did on Thursday. It appears to me very much like you got triggered by the fact he was on GB news in the first place, and that framed your opinion of him - which is supported up by some of the language you used in his reference; "gammon" etc.

Your post parading your validation in some self-righteous honours board of multi quotes whilst a body lies yet to be identified is macabre to the extreme, and quite frankly, turns my stomach.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Would be nice if this particular event leads to much stronger policing against social media bellends who think they can solve climes by trespassing, digging up forests, etc.

 

[Rita_Poon]

They've unleashed someone on bbc breakfast. and he's got the bottle to be blaming the media here. Why give him this platform 'bob eastwood' retired former officer. So seemingly not the gb news rent-a-mouth. Made mention that it was high tide yesterday and could be the reason the body showed up.
As an overview, I don't recall many or any have a go hero part time detective types previously, how have these morons been mobilised? Is it lust for glory? Can't stop crimes and fires and missing persons from being reported because the imbeciles might turn up, I'd be inclined to say enforce is as interfering with with an investigation/rescue and make it 5 years hard labour if guilty - but the state of who's entrusted to make such arrests (and how) sounds like a nightmare.

 

[bullybeef]

The big question that still remains unanswered is how did she end up in the river?

Was there foul play? How did she die?

 

[gonetomorrow]

We should all get out more and stop watching so much TV .
Life isn't Happy Valley.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Good person? And you can define a good or bad person based on if they have ever appeared on a particular TV channel or not can you? By good, are you implying 'non-right wing'?....Anyhow, I have no idea, since I don't watch it, I can't claim to be as well researched in GB News as your good self. A quick google brings up numerous Labour MP's, charity workers, trade union officials, NHS workers.

I agree with you that on reflection, his motives for assisting with the search were influenced by the upcoming release of his book. My point is that at the time I wrote the posts you quoted, you had no knowledge of his book...It wasn't mentioned in this thread until PhilM did on Thursday. It appears to me very much like you got triggered by the fact he was on GB news in the first place, and that framed your opinion of him - which is supported up by some of the language you used in his reference; "gammon" etc.

Your post parading your validation in some self-righteous honours board of multi quotes whilst a body lies yet to be identified is macabre to the extreme, and quite frankly, turns my stomach.

Have you actually seen the guy I referred to speak? I commented on his horrible know it all attitude and total indifference and lack of thought for the family. The fact he's been shown up like he has, and those that cheered him at the time, is amusing.

Ref GB News its entirely right wing and should ideally be banned.

 

[COYBL25]

Sad to see, that this thread has really brought out, the inner Frank Doberman in some posters.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

The big question that still remains unanswered is how did she end up in the river?

Was there foul play? How did she die?

Probably what the police are trying to work out.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Oh for the days when people accepted it was almost certainly a tragic accident and respected the police enough to let them get on with their job (and the family be left in peace).