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[Rita_Poon]

That is just a load of chaff put up though to justify this sort of thing, though. You are meant to think this is a measure intended to prevent the next Couzens or Carrick. It will do nothing in that regard.

People who get to a gross misconduct board have been investigated and the police think they are guilty and should be removed (hence the board). As I said above they already boot out people with regularity based on what they’ve actually done; if there was any part of the system that actually worked it was this.

It appears at least to me that this is a step towards addressing and trying to clean up their incredibly tainted image. As for the load of chaff, that's March this year, not today to justify this current u turn.

October 2022

Police can’t tackle violence against women ‘while officers are threat’

‘The failure to address misconduct point to a disturbing culture of lawlessness and impunity that will alarm every Londoner,’ Mandu Reid says

www.independent.co.uk

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www.gmp.police.uk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66390661 (Zanya Iman case being one)

PC and former officer found guilty of misconduct in public office | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

Sickening crimes of jailed ex-cop who took advantage of vulnerable victims

Former Lancashire Police PC Darren Coathup, 39, was told he he had 'used' his two victims as he was sent down

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Cambridgeshire police officer 'sent sex messages to vulnerable women'

A panel finds a Cambridgeshire police officer committed gross misconduct and abused his position.

www.bbc.co.uk

Child Q

Met Police: Deceived activist Kate Wilson awarded compensation

Kate Wilson met the undercover officer while he was posing as an environmental campaigner in 2003.

www.bbc.co.uk

Two Met police officers jailed over photos of murdered sisters

Deniz Jaffer and Jamie Lewis sentenced to two years and nine months for taking and sharing photos of Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry

www.theguardian.com

Nothing to see here, move along?

 

[tsubaki]

It appears at least to me that this is a step towards addressing and trying to clean up their incredibly tainted image. As for the load of chaff, that's March this year, not today to justify this current u turn.

October 2022

Police can’t tackle violence against women ‘while officers are threat’

‘The failure to address misconduct point to a disturbing culture of lawlessness and impunity that will alarm every Londoner,’ Mandu Reid says

www.independent.co.uk

Loading…

www.gmp.police.uk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66390661 (Zanya Iman case being one)

PC and former officer found guilty of misconduct in public office | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

Sickening crimes of jailed ex-cop who took advantage of vulnerable victims

Former Lancashire Police PC Darren Coathup, 39, was told he he had 'used' his two victims as he was sent down

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Cambridgeshire police officer 'sent sex messages to vulnerable women'

A panel finds a Cambridgeshire police officer committed gross misconduct and abused his position.

www.bbc.co.uk

Child Q

Met Police: Deceived activist Kate Wilson awarded compensation

Kate Wilson met the undercover officer while he was posing as an environmental campaigner in 2003.

www.bbc.co.uk

Two Met police officers jailed over photos of murdered sisters

Deniz Jaffer and Jamie Lewis sentenced to two years and nine months for taking and sharing photos of Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry

www.theguardian.com

Nothing to see here, move along?

Again, you are conflating two things - that people have been committing misconduct and been dealt with, and that these proposed measures are a sensible way of clearing this mess up.

Even a casual look at what the proposals actually are should tell everyone that these measures could never clear this mess up; they only apply to people facing gross misconduct boards and only make the system less fair (and so more open to legal challenge). They remove independent decision making in these boards (the legally qualified chair is now only a member of the board), and remove the discretionary ability from the board to not sack people they find have committed gross misconduct. If a cop is put in a situation where they are considering blowing the whistle on bad behaviour via non-official means (ie: going to the press), under these proposals they know they will be sacked for doing it. How is that fair?

To deal with this crisis of confidence requires money, sensibly directed effort and the understanding of the public and the police themselves. These proposed measures feature none of those things.

 

[COYBL25]

Again, you are conflating two things - that people have been committing misconduct and been dealt with, and that these proposed measures are a sensible way of clearing this mess up.

Even a casual look at what the proposals actually are should tell everyone that these measures could never clear this mess up; they only apply to people facing gross misconduct boards and only make the system less fair (and so more open to legal challenge). They remove independent decision making in these boards (the legally qualified chair is now only a member of the board), and remove the discretionary ability from the board to not sack people they find have committed gross misconduct. If a cop is put in a situation where they are considering blowing the whistle on bad behaviour via non-official means (ie: going to the press), under these proposals they know they will be sacked for doing it. How is that fair?

To deal with this crisis of confidence requires money, sensibly directed effort and the understanding of the public and the police themselves. These proposed measures feature none of those things.

It’s ill thought out, knee jerk, headline grabbing and politically driven.

When you look at the nuts and bolts of it, it’s just makes no sense at all.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Again, you are conflating two things - that people have been committing misconduct and been dealt with, and that these proposed measures are a sensible way of clearing this mess up.

Even a casual look at what the proposals actually are should tell everyone that these measures could never clear this mess up; they only apply to people facing gross misconduct boards and only make the system less fair (and so more open to legal challenge). They remove independent decision making in these boards (the legally qualified chair is now only a member of the board), and remove the discretionary ability from the board to not sack people they find have committed gross misconduct. If a cop is put in a situation where they are considering blowing the whistle on bad behaviour via non-official means (ie: going to the press), under these proposals they know they will be sacked for doing it. How is that fair?

To deal with this crisis of confidence requires money, sensibly directed effort and the understanding of the public and the police themselves. These proposed measures feature none of those things.

again, it appears to me an escalation of threat to those that have been relying on the uniform to save them from taking responsibility for their bad behaviours. is it unworkable? the whistle blowing aspect you raise undoubtedly is. Putting pressure on the uniforms around those breaking the law that've previously helped out their 'pals', seems a means to instill fear amongst the ranks. Is it policing by consent? it's awfully rich for those crying foul now when they were very happy with the system previous.

So far as you final point goes, it's beyond a crisis of confidence, there is no money, and the many and varied horror stories that have barely been touched as yet have put great swathes of the public off, so going cap in hand for some understanding is done with. I've quoted fuhrer may from about a decade ago where she threatened the police union at the conference, "you clean your act up or we'll do it for you" (words to that effect), times up, don't like it, leave, want to maintain the institution as it is, the door will be found for you.

hiring thick as pig crap thugs more interested doling out beatings and fitting up the most convenient usual suspect is the spectre they operate under, it'll take generations to clean up as the sleaze is so engrained. It's to big a job, and the horror stories will continue to come, and ordinary people will be battered and killed, in the grander scheme, any change is welcome if it puts a second thought into the mind of the worst of them. (I made note of the timing of it btw, the forced attendance to sentencing seems very difficult to ratify, and this could be lip service to appease a public desperate for change, on the cusp of a hand over of government...) [perhaps a higher level of jeopardy is required for the most trusted in society?]

 

[tsubaki]

again, it appears to me an escalation of threat to those that have been relying on the uniform to save them from taking responsibility for their bad behaviours. is it unworkable? the whistle blowing aspect you raise undoubtedly is. Putting pressure on the uniforms around those breaking the law that've previously helped out their 'pals', seems a means to instill fear amongst the ranks. Is it policing by consent? it's awfully rich for those crying foul now when they were very happy with the system previous.

So far as you final point goes, it's beyond a crisis of confidence, there is no money, and the many and varied horror stories that have barely been touched as yet have put great swathes of the public off, so going cap in hand for some understanding is done with. I've quoted fuhrer may from about a decade ago where she threatened the police union at the conference, "you clean your act up or we'll do it for you" (words to that effect), times up, don't like it, leave, want to maintain the institution as it is, the door will be found for you.

hiring thick as pig crap thugs more interested doling out beatings and fitting up the most convenient usual suspect is the spectre they operate under, it'll take generations to clean up as the sleaze is so engrained. It's to big a job, and the horror stories will continue to come, and ordinary people will be battered and killed, in the grander scheme, any change is welcome if it puts a second thought into the mind of the worst of them. (I made note of the timing of it btw, the forced attendance to sentencing seems very difficult to ratify, and this could be lip service to appease a public desperate for change, on the cusp of a hand over of government...) [perhaps a higher level of jeopardy is required for the most trusted in society?]

May is an especially bad example to cite because she was told, to her face, what would be needed to prevent the sort of thing she claimed to oppose.

Instead she (and her successor as PM) ignored that and gutted the police, and the rest of the criminal justice system, with idiocy like this. The end result is all around us.

As for “the public desperate for change” I think that just highlights the gimmickry of this. True change takes effort, time and short term pain. The police (the Met especially) are doing this - but bad headlines caused by dealing with it results in politicians and the papers demanding change because things are being dealt with, which is perverse.

 

[Rita_Poon]

May is an especially bad example to cite because she was told, to her face, what would be needed to prevent the sort of thing she claimed to oppose.

Instead she (and her successor as PM) ignored that and gutted the police, and the rest of the criminal justice system, with idiocy like this. The end result is all around us.

As for “the public desperate for change” I think that just highlights the gimmickry of this. True change takes effort, time and short term pain. The police (the Met especially) are doing this - but bad headlines caused by dealing with it results in politicians and the papers demanding change because things are being dealt with, which is perverse.

fine.

 

[Rita_Poon]

"two of the three members of the panel to be independent"

 

[tsubaki]

"two of the three members of the panel to be independent"

John Bassett, who is a senior barrister, legally qualified chair and who knows far more about this sort of thing than you, I or nearly every senior police officer in the land (and therefore vastly more than any politician) said this:

"No-one has yet explained to me or can present a convincing argument as to why the present system does not fulfil that role of being an open, transparent and fair process,"

"Police officers, as so-called officers of the crown, do not have a right to claim unfair dismissal, and in those circumstances the best and at present the only way of ensuring that there is a fair outcome, if it resulted in dismissal, is by having a legally qualified chair assisting and advising the panel on the proper procedure.

Otherwise you're going back to a situation where there is a real risk that effectively by reverting to the pre-2016 system or something similar, police officers or police chiefs are marking their own homework."

He is 100% correct.

 

[Rita_Poon]

John Bassett, who is a senior barrister, legally qualified chair and who knows far more about this sort of thing than you, I or nearly every senior police officer in the land (and therefore vastly more than any politician) said this:

"No-one has yet explained to me or can present a convincing argument as to why the present system does not fulfil that role of being an open, transparent and fair process,"

"Police officers, as so-called officers of the crown, do not have a right to claim unfair dismissal, and in those circumstances the best and at present the only way of ensuring that there is a fair outcome, if it resulted in dismissal, is by having a legally qualified chair assisting and advising the panel on the proper procedure.

Otherwise you're going back to a situation where there is a real risk that effectively by reverting to the pre-2016 system or something similar, police officers or police chiefs are marking their own homework.
He is 100% correct.

So he has reservations about the current malaise?

how many legally qualified have been involved for cases like Malkinson's for instance?

Isn't the issue in the first place the perceived 'marking their own homework' anyhow?

 

[tsubaki]

So he has reservations about the current malaise?

how many legally qualified have been involved for cases like Malkinson's for instance?

Isn't the issue in the first place the perceived 'marking their own homework' anyhow?

This doesn't really make much sense - Malkinson was failed by the police, CPS and CCRC. If there had been more independent scrutiny of all three, he would not have spent as long as he did in prison and may not even have been convicted.

What they want to do could well be said to be marking their own homework.

 

[Rita_Poon]

This doesn't really make much sense - Malkinson was failed by the police, CPS and CCRC. If there had been more independent scrutiny of all three, he would not have spent as long as he did in prison and may not even have been convicted.

What they want to do could well be said to be marking their own homework.

fine.

think we'll not see eye to eye on this, so I'll endeavour to improve.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Police into the firing line again, this time the tories and those that pander to them want every shoplifting occurrence investigated and prosecuted where possible.
There's a backlog in courts, no spaces in jails, a crumbling number of police, for instance - rape statistics are terrifying, we are beyond the tipping point and these chancers are talking up shoplifting.
It's not often I'm on the side of the cops, but this conveyor belt of criticism, impossible workload, and continually altering priorities must be disheartening to the point of moral crushing.

Third world britain.

 

[peteblue]

Unintended consequences…

New report reveals Met Police has spent 1,600 days fighting LTN fines since 2020 | RAC Drive

The Metropolitan Police has spent more than 1,600 days fighting Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) fines from councils across the country since 2020.

www.rac.co.uk

 

[Rita_Poon]

west mids police. lose case vs Rebecca Kalam for discriminatory practices, with the usual side dishes. Exclusive on channel 4 news. Will follow up when link arrives. Racism dismissed as banter. The 'tikka masala' comments rather unnerving. Scum, with a warrant card and an automatic weapon.

 

[Rita_Poon]

The name of the officer (unknown currently) that had intercourse with two separate female officers (different times) at the NEC christmas party, filmed both, and shared the video with his officer pals was only suspended after channel 4 news reported it nationally.