We would never have brought Tosun on if it was 0-0, we probably wouldn’t have made any subs at all actually.
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We would never have brought Tosun on if it was 0-0, we probably wouldn’t have made any subs at all actually.
Oh I don’t doubt that for a second. My point was more that I don’t really want to hear about iwobis winning mentality if his performances are terrible. Same goes for delph and the foot he’s had replaced with a pitching wedge. Wanting to win is great, actually contributing to it is better.
I recently completed a Nebosh course (passed with a credit I might add)
Part of that was looking at Peer group pressure in the work place. This can be good and bad. There is usually one person who without knowing it controls the group or workforce, he or she is not usually the manager, but someone who has influence because of their personality.
If the leader of the group works hard, you can be sure the rest of the group will follow, especially youngsters.
If the leader of the group has a poor attitude towards safety for instance you can bet the rest will, or most of them.
Or a clique is formed with a select few who are willing to tow the leaders line are accepted.
My guess, and it is a guess because I'm not there to see the day to day running of the group (workforce), is that there is a leader of the group, he's been there a long time, he influences even experienced players, but especially youngsters.
He has probably won very little, if anything in his time and his peer pressure is affecting the group. He probably doesn't even know it. He might not even be a footballer but someone who is close to them.
We have had a few managers and the mentality has been the same with all of them.
It's no surprise that Mourinho sometimes walks into a club, he singles out a player and basically removes them from the group. He's done it at Madrid I think it was and certainly Man U, was it Matta?
He must sense the group mentality and although he probably doesn't know who is the group leader is he picked Matta and made an example of him. Basically saying to the group and especially its leader, this group is now over and you now adopt my mentality, my attitude, my ways.
I'm saying that once the group leader is removed, whoever he is, then Everton can start to change the mentality, until then nothing will change unless you get a manager in who will break up the group similar to what Mourinho does.
Part of that was looking at Peer group pressure in the work place. This can be good and bad. There is usually one person who without knowing it controls the group or workforce, he or she is not usually the manager, but someone who has influence because of their personality.
If the leader of the group works hard, you can be sure the rest of the group will follow, especially youngsters.
If the leader of the group has a poor attitude towards safety for instance you can bet the rest will, or most of them.
Or a clique is formed with a select few who are willing to tow the leaders line are accepted.
My guess, and it is a guess because I'm not there to see the day to day running of the group (workforce), is that there is a leader of the group, he's been there a long time, he influences even experienced players, but especially youngsters.
He has probably won very little, if anything in his time and his peer pressure is affecting the group. He probably doesn't even know it. He might not even be a footballer but someone who is close to them.
We have had a few managers and the mentality has been the same with all of them.
It's no surprise that Mourinho sometimes walks into a club, he singles out a player and basically removes them from the group. He's done it at Madrid I think it was and certainly Man U, was it Matta?
He must sense the group mentality and although he probably doesn't know who is the group leader is he picked Matta and made an example of him. Basically saying to the group and especially its leader, this group is now over and you now adopt my mentality, my attitude, my ways.
I'm saying that once the group leader is removed, whoever he is, then Everton can start to change the mentality, until then nothing will change unless you get a manager in who will break up the group similar to what Mourinho does.
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Blue Bill.
I have no idea who it is mate but something is wrong. I think Mourinho also had a go at one of the Chelsea Directors one time, probably because of his influence.
This was not a call for Mourinho to be manager by the way, I just used him as an example of how groups are broken up sometimes.
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We take crap so we win crap all.
Too nice - Coleman cuddling Son really grinded my gears. Should have screamed at him for seeing red mist.
Too nice - Coleman cuddling Son really grinded my gears. Should have screamed at him for seeing red mist.
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Oh Gylfi; you've been uncovered my boy.
Better hope its not Jose otherwise it's Trump country for you!
It's this mentality that's weird. The idea that you can't have a measured reaction to a situation without being a loser is a really sad indictment of society.
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We win nothing because we are not very good at playing Football. That's it.
It's nothing to do with our tolerance levels. The result wouldn't have been any different if Coleman had screamed at Son and Silva had been raging post-match.
Coleman is a class act. Always has been. He is getting praise from the wider Football community for his reaction too.
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I really think you're trying too hard to be clever there.
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We get shafted by refs and have a weak mentality.
Look at our neighbours for lessons on what it takes. They have some better players but they also take no crap after bad decisions - Klopp would have gone nuts at the officials if he was managing us on Sunday,
Not a problem you'll ever have Phil.
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Yes, as per my previous post. We aren't very good at playing Football. We should look at them for lessons on playing Football because they are very good at playing Football. But we don't need to look at them (or anyone else for that matter) on conducting ourselves before, during or after a game.
We handle ourselves just fine. I don't think it's the 'plucky little Everton' mentality that's keeping us down. I also don't think that we're shafted by refs proportionately more or less than other teams in the league. VAR has given plenty of dodgy decisions for and against most teams this season.
it's the quality of togger, plain and simple. To watch the painful standard of Football we churn out and then complain that 'it's clearly corrupt officials' keeping us down, is naive at best.
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