Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

[Prevenger17]

The big question in my mind is would Hitler have been a better football manager than Martinez?

He'd have us playing two teams at once on either side of the pitch.

 

[davek]

Dav there is thirty points to play for and you think we are safe already, I hope you are right but you know the saying
never count your chickens!!!!

33/34 points will get safety this season. Those teams 3rd/2nd bottom would need to get 12 points. More than a point per game. There's no chance of that, imo.

 

[MACCA75]

Come on, it's only a light-hearted and utterly facetious attempt to make light of the whole situation.

No wonder people get wound up about @davek and others if you can't make an occasional whimsical or fanciful remark without being taken serious.

That's for @Boss_Blue and @Dithering Dougie too.

Whimsical, fanciful and Hitler don't really go together tbh.

 

[nsno-chris]

Where's damo disappeared to in this debate. Miss him tagging dave into every single post.

Sure dave misses it as well

 

[Moomin]

He'd have us playing two teams at once on either side of the pitch.

Strong start but we would tire in the second half.

 

[Boss_Blue]

He'd have us playing two teams at once on either side of the pitch.

I wouldn't be going near the showers after a defeat...

 

[Boss_Blue]

Strong start but we would tire in the second half.

We'd dominate Europe before getting relegated.



Hang on...

 

[park end boy 1878]

lets all stick as one coybs give him time

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Where's damo disappeared to in this debate. Miss him tagging dave into every single post.

Sure dave misses it as well

You know you're in deep when your wing man Damon does a bunk trying to save his credibility

 

[Prevenger17]

Strong start but we would tire in the second half.

He'd probably captain Peter Odemwingie, who would fly to the grounds of Hamilton Academical to force a move through.

 

[bluemangroup]

He'd probably captain Peter Odemwingie, who would fly to the grounds of Hamilton Academical to force a move through.

He'd eradicate all our opponents in what he'd term as the "phenomenal solution"

 

[PhilM]

He'd eradicate all our opponents in what he'd term as the "phenomenal solution"

Jagielka would be more uncomfortable as our captain that he currently is.

 

[davek]

Still, as you make this place a much more enjoyable place I'll choose to have a nibble to see how things will develop.

You mention that it's a response to being unable to counter points about comparison between this season and the last. Okay then...

Isn't that view simplistic in its nature? Just because he had a good season last year, doesn't mean he hasn't shown traits of despair this season.

I think of it this way... Kendall MKI was fantastic: he gained adulation from the fans for what we achieved during his tenure as manager.

However, Kendall MKII and the later MKIII had nowhere near had the same influence, which the records clearly show. MKIII was worrying.

It would have been extremely easy to disregard any of his failings in the later years due to his earlier success (blue tinted glasses).

Yet, that's ignoring the present situation which is arguably much more important than focusing simply on the past.

Eventually his time was up and the correct decision was made. Arguably, the same could be applied to Martinez MKI and the current version.

Without a shadow of a doubt, last season was wonderful: great performances; inspiring managements; effective tactics and substitutions.

There he unequivocally showed aspects of being a 'good' manager, yet this year he's unequivocally showing aspects of a 'poor' manager.

He has inflexibility in his mentality and approach to the same, poor decision making and a reluctance (or inability) to adapt our style of play.

As a good manager you need to be able to adapt to succeed, rather than keep bludgeoning at the same old approach to get the desire results.

Last year the smooth veneer and positive aura oozed class and maturity, which I admit many of the fans were wooed by. We loved his 'class'!

However, this same approach has began to form cracks in his guise through using ambitious vocabulary to assess some absolute dross.

It's not ignoring the past by being generally concerned, rather assessing the past compared with the present. For example...

'Phenomenal' performances and 'fantastic' character are wonderful when things are going well; less so when you're actually pretty dire.

You could also mention his tactical awkwardness where we continue to play the turgid football that has emerged. Where's last season gone?

Hiter was fantastic at first in his approach to managing Germany, however eventually in his later years the same approach brought their downfall.

When considering the positive years and his demise together, would it not be fair to believe he was delusional and generally 'unfit' to rule?

As with Martinez, he has shown hints of brilliance but on balance, he's shown hints of being unable to manage. Is the scale is beginning to tip?

If it were simply a short dip then your argument would hold more weight, however it's week in week out that the same mistakes occur.

Those behind Martinez are adamant that he can change things around: why? What evidence from last season hints he is able to adapt?

Evidence from this season on the other hand, suggest that he does not have the ability to readjust to the situation at hand.

Will our formation change next season? Will he be more inclined to play two wide players? When will we play to our (and the players) strengths?

Last season should not be forgotten (and I do not think it is), nevertheless it is not an excuse to neglect or ignore his tenure this season.

Nor does it help answer any of the key question which have emerged this season; questions which fans are just to be asking.

I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt... I wish I was behind him... However there are far too many unanswered and difficult questions.

As you're clearly a relatively intelligent gentlemen, all the above is why it appears as if you're either a wind up or utterly delusional.

Possibly you're just too good at your role to make your whole 'Bobby love in' unbelievable. A more balanced approach would be believable.

I cant believe you've brought Hitler into this!!!

Leaving that aside...you're confusing my position: I dont defend what's gone on this season, I criticises it as much as anyone. The whole basis of the posts against me is that I'm some zealot not seeing reality. I see it, I see all the differences between this and last season. But it still doesn't give me the basis for a definitive answer about whether this manager is the real deal or a real liability. I'd like to find out though.

There's way too much grabbing hold of fragmentary comments from Martinez to back up how idealistic and non-pragmatc he is...even to the extent of calling him insane FFS (hang your heads on that one, btw). The whole situation has reached virus proportions - it's as though they live for this non-crisis now because it makes them feel good about themselves to put the boot in on a manager who they adored last season. Utterly shameful stuff.

And as for your picture: no, I'm not fishing. What I'm posting is just a reasonable defence of a manager of Everton FC...the fact you think that would be 'fishing' says more about you than me. The lynch mob mentality is nauseating. I for one cant wait until we see the back of this season successfully in midtable or near enough to it and the manager planning ahead for next season and those who insult him left to stew in their own piss.

 

[Prevenger17]

He'd eradicate all our opponents in what he'd term as the "phenomenal solution"

Tbh, I don't think he'd cut it in England, but he would absolutely walk into any job in France.

 

[joey_macmo]

and those who insult him left to stew in their own piss.

wum or just a strange fellow?