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harris78
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But it cannot be down to the players for the system he has chosen because as you said it worked last year and there has not been great changes in personnel this season. He needs to look at his whole philosophy. Not only that, if he knows the players are not working within his system then why is he not tweaking for the people at his disposal? I don't particularly like Brendan Rogers but in an interview in the last couple of weeks he said that he had to knock down his ideals for Liverpool earlier in the season and rebuild his whole philosophy as he was frightened of the sack.
Its all great having a belief and philosophy but at the same time you have to be strong enough to admit that sometimes things do not go to plan and you have to adapt and evolve.
dave abrahams
Player Valuation: £8m
Dav there is thirty points to play for and you think we are safe already, I hope you are right but you know the saying
never count your chickens!!!!
Still, as you make this place a much more enjoyable place I'll choose to have a nibble to see how things will develop.
You mention that it's a response to being unable to counter points about comparison between this season and the last. Okay then...
Isn't that view simplistic in its nature? Just because he had a good season last year, doesn't mean he hasn't shown traits of despair this season.
I think of it this way... Kendall MKI was fantastic: he gained adulation from the fans for what we achieved during his tenure as manager.
However, Kendall MKII and the later MKIII had nowhere near had the same influence, which the records clearly show. MKIII was worrying.
It would have been extremely easy to disregard any of his failings in the later years due to his earlier success (blue tinted glasses).
Yet, that's ignoring the present situation which is arguably much more important than focusing simply on the past.
Eventually his time was up and the correct decision was made. Arguably, the same could be applied to Martinez MKI and the current version.
Without a shadow of a doubt, last season was wonderful: great performances; inspiring managements; effective tactics and substitutions.
There he unequivocally showed aspects of being a 'good' manager, yet this year he's unequivocally showing aspects of a 'poor' manager.
He has inflexibility in his mentality and approach to the same, poor decision making and a reluctance (or inability) to adapt our style of play.
As a good manager you need to be able to adapt to succeed, rather than keep bludgeoning at the same old approach to get the desire results.
Last year the smooth veneer and positive aura oozed class and maturity, which I admit many of the fans were wooed by. We loved his 'class'!
However, this same approach has began to form cracks in his guise through using ambitious vocabulary to assess some absolute dross.
It's not ignoring the past by being generally concerned, rather assessing the past compared with the present. For example...
'Phenomenal' performances and 'fantastic' character are wonderful when things are going well; less so when you're actually pretty dire.
You could also mention his tactical awkwardness where we continue to play the turgid football that has emerged. Where's last season gone?
Hiter was fantastic at first in his approach to managing Germany, however eventually in his later years the same approach brought their downfall.
When considering the positive years and his demise together, would it not be fair to believe he was delusional and generally 'unfit' to rule?
As with Martinez, he has shown hints of brilliance but on balance, he's shown hints of being unable to manage. Is the scale is beginning to tip?
If it were simply a short dip then your argument would hold more weight, however it's week in week out that the same mistakes occur.
Those behind Martinez are adamant that he can change things around: why? What evidence from last season hints he is able to adapt?
Evidence from this season on the other hand, suggest that he does not have the ability to readjust to the situation at hand.
Will our formation change next season? Will he be more inclined to play two wide players? When will we play to our (and the players) strengths?
Last season should not be forgotten (and I do not think it is), nevertheless it is not an excuse to neglect or ignore his tenure this season.
Nor does it help answer any of the key question which have emerged this season; questions which fans are just to be asking.
I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt... I wish I was behind him... However there are far too many unanswered and difficult questions.
As you're clearly a relatively intelligent gentlemen, all the above is why it appears as if you're either a wind up or utterly delusional.
Possibly you're just too good at your role to make your whole 'Bobby love in' unbelievable. A more balanced approach would be believable.
You were trying to get people to play nice yesterday don't undo your good work.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
10/10 for managing to shoe horn a comparison with Hitler into the thread. lol
Still, as you make this place a much more enjoyable place I'll choose to have a nibble to see how things will develop.
You mention that it's a response to being unable to counter points about comparison between this season and the last. Okay then...
Isn't that view simplistic in its nature? Just because he had a good season last year, doesn't mean he hasn't shown traits of despair this season.
I think of it this way... Kendall MKI was fantastic: he gained adulation from the fans for what we achieved during his tenure as manager.
However, Kendall MKII and the later MKIII had nowhere near had the same influence, which the records clearly show. MKIII was worrying.
It would have been extremely easy to disregard any of his failings in the later years due to his earlier success (blue tinted glasses).
Yet, that's ignoring the present situation which is arguably much more important than focusing simply on the past.
Eventually his time was up and the correct decision was made. Arguably, the same could be applied to Martinez MKI and the current version.
Without a shadow of a doubt, last season was wonderful: great performances; inspiring managements; effective tactics and substitutions.
There he unequivocally showed aspects of being a 'good' manager, yet this year he's unequivocally showing aspects of a 'poor' manager.
He has inflexibility in his mentality and approach to the same, poor decision making and a reluctance (or inability) to adapt our style of play.
As a good manager you need to be able to adapt to succeed, rather than keep bludgeoning at the same old approach to get the desire results.
Last year the smooth veneer and positive aura oozed class and maturity, which I admit many of the fans were wooed by. We loved his 'class'!
However, this same approach has began to form cracks in his guise through using ambitious vocabulary to assess some absolute dross.
It's not ignoring the past by being generally concerned, rather assessing the past compared with the present. For example...
'Phenomenal' performances and 'fantastic' character are wonderful when things are going well; less so when you're actually pretty dire.
You could also mention his tactical awkwardness where we continue to play the turgid football that has emerged. Where's last season gone?
Hiter was fantastic at first in his approach to managing Germany, however eventually in his later years the same approach brought their downfall.
When considering the positive years and his demise together, would it not be fair to believe he was delusional and generally 'unfit' to rule?
As with Martinez, he has shown hints of brilliance but on balance, he's shown hints of being unable to manage. Is the scale is beginning to tip?
If it were simply a short dip then your argument would hold more weight, however it's week in week out that the same mistakes occur.
Those behind Martinez are adamant that he can change things around: why? What evidence from last season hints he is able to adapt?
Evidence from this season on the other hand, suggest that he does not have the ability to readjust to the situation at hand.
Will our formation change next season? Will he be more inclined to play two wide players? When will we play to our (and the players) strengths?
Last season should not be forgotten (and I do not think it is), nevertheless it is not an excuse to neglect or ignore his tenure this season.
Nor does it help answer any of the key question which have emerged this season; questions which fans are just to be asking.
I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt... I wish I was behind him... However there are far too many unanswered and difficult questions.
As you're clearly a relatively intelligent gentlemen, all the above is why it appears as if you're either a wind up or utterly delusional.
Possibly you're just too good at your role to make your whole 'Bobby love in' unbelievable. A more balanced approach would be believable.
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
All 'cos of you I reckon Dave. You're a natural leader. Apply for the job mate...
@davek is the trusty Gestapo (or Soviet NKVP depending on your political allegiances) trying to eradicate any opposition to our dear leader.
bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
No arguments here.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
As i've said before relegation has nothing to do with it. Just because teams are equally as incompetent as us does not make Martinez any better a manager. People are 'rebelling' because its not good enough plain and simple whether we're 20th or 10th l, the football on display is not good enough to earn another year. In any other top side with real ambition he'd have gone but we're more of a community club aka more interested in keeping under achievers employed than winning teophies. If he was giving me any indication he could turn it around then i would be behind him, most would because Evertonians are suckers for the under dog. When he's coming out with comments like 'Howard has had a strong seadon' you realise any blind faith we might have left is most probably misguided. Howard still starts, Barry is still first chpice, Naismith and Barkley still play wide, Lukaku still gets 90 mins every single match. He is not learning. 1 win in over half a season is not telling him anything. Next season will be the same unless there's a massive squad overhaul, but again he's had the chance to do it and bought more defensive mids and more useless wingers when any idiot could see we needed replacements for Osman Pienaar Howard and Distin. Why would the next windows be any different? Rumoured targets are Cleverly and Ayew. Tick tick for defensive mid and useless winger.
Ha! As I typed those words I wondered how long it would take someone to pick up on them, so to clarify for the alarmists out there.
Hiter was obviously not an fantastic individual, yet for the majority of Germans he may well have appeared to be so for a number of years.
He revitalised the nation (School of Science?)... avenged past pains (Manure away?)... rebuilt their forces and confidence oozed.
He even successfully conquered Europe with his invasion of Poland and the West... a bit like the Europa League.
Not ignoring his obvious failings and terrible deeds, many of his followers would have then looked at him with loving, adhering eyes.
Then it all went a little bit wrong... Was he unable to adapt and stubbornly preserved with an approach? Is this season our Stalingrad?
Did his once immortal words begin to appear like those of a ludicrous, delusional comments from a psychopath?
I will stop there now...
bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
Oh good god.
Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
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