ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
He's originally from Cape Verde. I only know that because I have Cape Verde blood myslelf.
There are lots of things that attract players to England. Money is one but so is the abundance of quality players.
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He's originally from Cape Verde. I only know that because I have Cape Verde blood myslelf.
There are lots of things that attract players to England. Money is one but so is the abundance of quality players.
sotnas
Player Valuation: £10m
the best paid player at sporting earns 100k € a month. That would be around 15.000 pounds/week.
I bet Portsmouth can better that for 4 or 5 times.
Cape Verde? I was meant to be going to work there a short time ago but it fell through.
Carry on.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
Ofcourse they can. Which proves my point that the English League is alot more attractive on so many levels. Money is one as is competition and the quality of player in the League.
Fernandes did leave for a pay rise but he also left to better himself in a better League. Thats the aim for any promising footballer. Get paid as high as possible and play in the best League possible.
I'm not making out he's a saint by any means but I do disagree with people who say he only left for money. Its complete bollocks.
sotnas
Player Valuation: £10m
I'll let you in on a secret. Eusebio was kidnapped by Benfica. i mean it.
He played for Sporting of Lourenço Marques in Mozambique which was an affiliated club to Sporting.
sporting got interested in him, and so was benfica. He was kidnapped by a couple of Benfica directors, who left the sporting directors waiting for him in the airport. He ended up signing for benfica.
In that same decade benfica went to many ECC finals, winning 2. Sporting only won a CWC. With Eusebio, I'm sure we'd have won at least one ECC and a lot more championships.
It is a very well known story in portugal.
But that's life.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
Other than him there all on average wages according to my friend(Portsmouth fan).
They certainly wouldn't give a young inexperienced Portuguese lad a big wage. I doubt it anyway.
sotnas
Player Valuation: £10m
I'd swear he had angolan background. but I'll check that.
Nani is from Cape Verde also.
Its the bit where you said "other than him".
I would have preferred a simple "Senor Azul, you were right and me is wrong. I dig your style" instead.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
To be honest my Grandad follows all the cape verde players playing in Europe. The likes of Miguel, Larsson, Gelson Fernandes and Manuel Fernandes. He told me when Fernandes joined us that Fernandes was definatly a cape verde brother.
coyney
Player Valuation: £35m
I think it should also be pointed out that his joint owners might have had a big say in his moves and they are not interested in anything except cash.also can anyone say he is not better than the players presently at the club or at least as good so if he joins it improves the squad ,And yes I really rate him last season he had a bad time and it was only at the latter end his form improved if I was him and offered another loan deal I would refuse we have had enough time to make a decision buy him or forget him I hope we buy him.
Jamo Martinez
Player Valuation: £70m
I think Portugal is in a similar situation to a lot of leagues with quality players. Holland is a step up from Argentina in many respects and one them is obviously money. I wouldn't say PSV or Feyenoord are bigger clubs than Boca Juniors or River Plate but it's a bigger stage with European football on offer as a shop window. Most (99% I'd say) players would like to play for one of the top teams in one of the top leagues. The Mathew LeTissiers of this world are few and far between. At the present time the 3 most attractive clubs in the world for players, taking into consideration history, fanbase, current success and financial punch are Manure, Real Madrid and Milan AC. If one of them come calling it's difficult to say no. So while playing 6-10 CL games will get you seen by one of those, Playing 38-50 games in the same league as them is better. Obviously an Everton, Portsmouth, Sampdoria or Villareal is a better stepping stone for a talented young lad form Ajax, Sporting Lisbon or Dukla Prague than joining a Stoke, Cagliari or Real Murcia.
Ten teams from six different countries all in one sentence. Beat that
Ten teams from six different countries all in one sentence. Beat that
sotnas
Player Valuation: £10m
I think Portugal is in a similar situation to a lot of leagues with quality players. Holland is a step up from Argentina in many respects and one them is obviously money. I wouldn't say PSV or Feyenoord are bigger clubs than Boca Juniors or River Plate but it's a bigger stage with European football on offer as a shop window. Most (99% I'd say) players would like to play for one of the top teams in one of the top leagues. The Mathew LeTissiers of this world are few and far between. At the present time the 3 most attractive clubs in the world for players, taking into consideration history, fanbase, current success and financial punch are Manure, Real Madrid and Milan AC. If one of them come calling it's difficult to say no. So while playing 6-10 CL games will get you seen by one of those, Playing 38-50 games in the same league as them is better. Obviously an Everton, Portsmouth, Sampdoria or Villareal is a better stepping stone for a talented young lad form Ajax, Sporting Lisbon or Dukla Prague than joining a Stoke, Cagliari or Real Murcia.
Ten teams from six different countries all in one sentence. Beat that
Looking at the portuguese national team, there a ratio of players playing abroad in big clubs hard to beat in Europe.
If you look at the first eleven, 3 defenders will play for chelsea and 1 for real madrid. in the midfield the only one playing abroad plays for barça and will play for chelsea. Upfront, 1 for Man U and 1 for Atletico Madrid. The goalkeeper plays for Betis. So, 8 players play abroad and only 2 aren't playing for CL prime prize challengers.
This means that big players in Portugal leave for big clubs. The portuguese championship is well known, and the national team is followed throughout the world. There is no need to leave on loan to a club that will serve as a winder for big clubs to watch the player.
Only common class players will do that. Manny at the time was well regarded and followed by big clubs. Followed meant that people was expecting him to mature. Leaving for a smaller club, didn't do him any good.
He's casting himself as a player who doesn't settle anywhere. He's been with for 2 incomplete seasons on loan, and that's hardly some sort of stability.
Do you remember Hugo Viana? At that time he was considered Europe's hottest property. He chose Newcastle for the money instead of Juventus. From that point on, he played out of position, then was loaned back to Sporting, sold to Valencia and loaned to Osasuna. He lost a lot of his progression.
I'm afraid that will happen to Manny. If we want him, we should sign him permanently. If not, let him go. No more loans.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
I do disagree that moving to Portsmouth was bad for him. Portsmouth is an up and coming club, they have some very good players and a good manager who gets the best out of players. And the fact is Fernandes actually done very well at Portsmouth, the fans rated him very highly as did the manager.
The only problem for Fernandes is his owners. They've slapped a 12 million price tag on him for the majority of his career and expected people to pay it. And whilst I'm a big Fernandes fan he's not a 12 million pound player. Very few clubs will pay it which gives him very few options. I doubt very much that he wants to move from club to club on loan but he hasn't really got a choice.
Hopefully he's got rid of these owners and can push on. With Valencia paying 14 million you'd expect that to be the case. Signing him on loan as Sotnas has said would be a bad move. Sign him permanantly, help the lad out and I'm sure he'll return the favour with improved performances.
The only problem for Fernandes is his owners. They've slapped a 12 million price tag on him for the majority of his career and expected people to pay it. And whilst I'm a big Fernandes fan he's not a 12 million pound player. Very few clubs will pay it which gives him very few options. I doubt very much that he wants to move from club to club on loan but he hasn't really got a choice.
Hopefully he's got rid of these owners and can push on. With Valencia paying 14 million you'd expect that to be the case. Signing him on loan as Sotnas has said would be a bad move. Sign him permanantly, help the lad out and I'm sure he'll return the favour with improved performances.
Vim Fuego
Player Valuation: £35m
You are all talking as if money is no object when it comes to Fernandes,£6m there, £8M there and so on...In an ideal world i'd agree that it would be better to sign him permanently right now, but finances are tighter than a lot of people think, and a lot depends on where Fernandes is on DM's list of priorities.£6M could represent 30% of our entire transfer budget,and personally, i don't think Fernandes has done enough to earn a permanent contract up to now.DM may be forced to buy him, but i'll guarantee you he'll be looking to secure a loan first and foremost, whether you lot like it or not.
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