Current Affairs London Protests

[peteblue]

I think Tommy Robinson sent his men in to protect it. They obviously vacated positions quite quickly.

Why do you and others keep referring to this odious little man and a disgraceful bunch of lunatics. As far as I’m aware they are not on the march, they are not attacking Police horses and have nothing to do with this event...you are better than that......

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

No but we have to start demanding this. The division we've had over the last 4 years hasn't been good enough.

We have a Party in Government who openly practices divide and conquer politics. I can only see this getting worse maybe on a bigger scale of 2011...

 

[peteblue]

We have a Party in Government who openly practices divide and conquer politics. I can only see this getting worse maybe on a bigger scale of 2011...

I thought this was about racism, or is it really about politics......

 

[Wizard]

They knew if they gave the trouble causers a clip the far left via social media would have had them crucified.

Countries a joke at present- rudderless leadership.

Maybe giving protesters a "clip" wouldn't be the wisest during a protest over police brutality. Look at what happened in the US during the first days of these protests and how different they have been recently since the police calmed down a bit.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Mind you, I’m disgusted that the Police or the Army didn’t have people protecting it......

Thank god we have such a capable government to deal with it all.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Police violence in the USA is totally different in the UK to The USA , most people of any colour skin have very little chance of being killed by the police here unless you have a weapon and are endangering other people's lives in the UK.
Dont have a problem with people
Standing up for there rights or equality but the events of the last few days havnt furthered there cause in anyway and have infact taken the spotlight away from the cause they are supposed to be supporting.
In the current emergency they are just plain daft.

It's not about if you have 'little chance' it's about if you have a chance at all - which you shouldn't. And the point is not about equivalence of deaths by police (there would definitely be more if the UK police were armed), it's about the way policing in the UK targets and perceives different races and the possibility of a climate that will allow what we see in the US to happen here.

In recent memory we have had entire police forces declared institutionally racist and, in addressing public safety, where police have clearly overreached their power and used unnecessary force against people of all colours, while there has been a woeful lack of accountability through the justice system.

There are parallels even from recent times with the killing of George Floyd https://www.channel4.com/news/hearing-told-police-failed-in-duty-of-care-to-man-who-died

But it doesn't happen here:

‘A black man’s life is not valued’: attack on year-long delay of UK police death inquiry

Electrician Darren Cumberbatch was beaten with ‘excessive force’ by police

amp.theguardian.com

I refuse to draw the same anger about the destruction of property (which not many generations ago you were if you were black) or the burning of a flag, as that of a life. And as for dishonouring the cenotaph, what is the point in fighting Facism and intolerance if you are willing to accept it decades on?

 

[Shevin Keedy]

And as for dishonouring the cenotaph, what is the point in fighting Facism and intolerance if you are willing to accept it decades on?

Oh that is a good point, very succinct, good man.

 

[dead_soft]

Why do you and others keep referring to this odious little man and a disgraceful bunch of lunatics. As far as I’m aware they are not on the march, they are not attacking Police horses and have nothing to do with this event...you are better than that......

Says the man who brought up Hong Kong in a BLM thread. Almost like you aren't much better than that yourself

 

[peteblue]

Says the man who brought up Hong Kong in a BLM thread. Almost like you aren't much better than that yourself

The difference is that the issue I brought up concerned the lives of people and the potential repercussions within a draconian political environment....do you even understand that or will you argue just because you can....that’s called freedom.....

 

[Papa Shango]

I thought this was about racism, or is it really about politics......

Well we do have a racist (and sexist) in charge of the nation to be fair.

 

[carlos21]

And is all this riot going to stop like.

 

[KaiserEFC]

the cenotaph, what is the point in fighting Facism and intolerance if you are willing to accept it decades on?

The Cenotaph stands as a memorial and the only way to remember every poor kid who had to go over the top into machine gun fire and almost certain death and as a consequence never had a single chance at life purely because of the time period and circumstance they were born into. So much time has passed that these poor souls are now nameless and are now faceless and memorials such as this are the only way to ensure that these people have not died entirely in vain.

They are totally separate to these protests, politics in general and the changing of the world, they are the definition of hallowed ground and should be treated as such.

 

[dead_soft]

The difference is that the issue I brought up concerned the lives of people and the potential repercussions within a draconian political environment....do you even understand that or will you argue just because you can....that’s called freedom.....

You are complaining that Robinson keeps getting brought up when him and his lot are not on the march (though he has explicitly been talking about it and suggesting he'll cause an issue on them) but think bringing up HK, which is not directly related to this issue, isn't an attempt to derail the conversation.

 

[dead_soft]

The Cenotaph stands as a memorial and the only way to remember every poor kid who had to go over the top into machine gun fire and almost certain death and as a consequence never had a single chance at life purely because of the time period and circumstance they were born into. So much time has passed that these poor souls are now nameless and are now faceless and memorials such as this are the only way to ensure that these people have not died entirely in vain.

They are totally separate to these protests, politics in general and the changing of the world, they are the definition of hallowed ground and should be treated as such.

That isn't true though. The memorials are fairly worthless on their own, and are certainly not the only way to show that these people didn't die in vain - it's the move towards equality and freedom that would do that more.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The Cenotaph stands as a memorial and the only way to remember every poor kid who had to go over the top into machine gun fire and almost certain death and as a consequence never had a single chance at life purely because of the time period and circumstance they were born into. So much time has passed that these poor souls are now nameless and are now faceless and memorials such as this are the only way to ensure that these people have not died entirely in vain.

They are totally separate to these protests, politics in general and the changing of the world, they are the definition of hallowed ground and should be treated as such.

I don't disagree with that. But, to follow the argument from earlier, it is not the only way to remember these people.

But right now in supposedly the most progressive democracies in the world, you can be denied chances, equal rights and opportunities, equal access to justice, purely because of the time period and circumstance they were born into - principally the colour of your skin.