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[Harryflashman]

Why don't people have marches and protests when young girls are abused in Bradford and Rochdale?

does this mean nobody can ever march ever again ? This is going to cause a potential nightmare for future generations .

also try as I might I can’t see the relevance of the links , it’s like saying why wasn’t anyone marching when 6m Jews got exterminated ? No point in anyone marching ever again now . I don’t see how one precludes any future protest to Be honest.

child abuse is horrific and racism is bad . I had no idea they were on opposite sides .

 

[Harryflashman]

Victims are the wrong colour mate - imagine the scandal had groups of 20 odd white blokes targetted and abused young ethnic minority girls the left would be in uproar.

Sadly its why I've lost faith over the years that the left is the answer in dealing with this problem - the right likes to pretend that racism doesn't exist whilst the left only thinks racism exists for non whites.

What I would give for a modern SDP party to spring up to shake the likes of the current Labour and Lib Dem parties into touch.

I think you’re a sound poster mate but I hate this comparison or dragging of child abuse into a conversation on racism . Why’s it relevant ? It’s apples and oranges .

kids got abused and That was a disgrace and anyone who committed the offences or allowed them to happen should be punished . Let’s be clear it wasn’t SYL or the EDL that exposed this abuse there are journalists who worked hard and the various coppers and Cps eventually got their arse in gear and got people charged . Was it too late of course it was but why is this argument relevant to racism ? I’ve no clue .

I’ve nearly replied to you a couple of times when you’ve discussed it being a class thing and race not being a factor . I suspect we’re similar in lots of ways , I’m obviously a lot older and I went everywhere watching Everton in a very different time . I don’t think it was until I had a black person who I was emotionally involved with that I realised how many racist comments there are on a regular basis . Whether to them or just in conversation, I don’t mean me being over sensitive and perceiving slights when there aren’t any I mean offensive words and language I couldn’t type here . That language was always there but you’re not listening to it because it doesn’t impact on you . I’m not saying I wasn’t bothered but you just aren’t attuned. It happens a lot mate , less now than it did but still a lot . Comments , downright abuse , jokes , asides it got me into physical confrontations and it’s still going on and I haven’t experienced 1% of it . The world isn’t a nice place I know that more than anyone but I find it amazing that people deny this kind of stuff goes on .

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I think you’re a sound poster mate but I hate this comparison or dragging of child abuse into a conversation on racism . Why’s it relevant ? It’s apples and oranges .

kids got abused and That was a disgrace and anyone who committed the offences or allowed them to happen should be punished . Let’s be clear it wasn’t SYL or the EDL that exposed this abuse there are journalists who worked hard and the various coppers and Cps eventually got their arse in gear and got people charged . Was it too late of course it was but why is this argument relevant to racism ? I’ve no clue .

I’ve nearly replied to you a couple of times when you’ve discussed it being a class thing and race not being a factor . I suspect we’re similar in lots of ways , I’m obviously a lot older and I went everywhere watching Everton in a very different time . I don’t think it was until I had a black person who I was emotionally involved with that I realised how many racist comments there are on a regular basis . Whether to them or just in conversation, I don’t mean me being over sensitive and perceiving slights when there aren’t any I mean offensive words and language I couldn’t type here . That language was always there but you’re not listening to it because it doesn’t impact on you . I’m not saying I wasn’t bothered but you just aren’t attuned. It happens a lot mate , less now than it did but still a lot . Comments , downright abuse , jokes , asides it got me into physical confrontations and it’s still going on and I haven’t experienced 1% of it . The world isn’t a nice place I know that more than anyone but I find it amazing that people deny this kind of stuff goes on .

My opinion on the grooming gangs was that the victims were working class, vulnerable white girls who were targetted by gangs of asian men on the basis that they were seen as "easy meat".

I try not to make things like that political but the reality is that those girls were the victims of racism and were also let down by the authorities - the same authorities who have also let down ethnic minority victims in this country.

The difference is though the left only highlight the abuse of the minorities and not white folk and the right only highlight the abuse of white folk and not the minorities.

Neither spectrum is fit for purpose on the issue of racism as both have inherit bias based on their political leanings.

The only way racism will be solved is with a proper centrist party imo and sadly one does not exist in the UK at present.

 

[Harryflashman]

My opinion on the grooming gangs was that the victims were working class, vulnerable white girls who were targetted by gangs of asian men on the basis that they were seen as "easy meat".

I try not to make things like that political but the reality is that those girls were the victims of racism and were also let down by the authorities - the same authorities who have also let down ethnic minority victims in this country.

The difference is though the left only highlight the abuse of the minorities and not white folk and the right only highlight the abuse of white folk and not the minorities.

Neither spectrum is fit for purpose on the issue of racism as both have inherit bias based on their political leanings.

The only way racism will be solved is with a proper centrist party imo and sadly one does not exist in the UK at present.

girls were abused and it’s a disgrace I can’t believe anyone would argue with you . Did race play a part in the failure to act ? Very possibly did the complete lack of interest in certain working class communities ? I’d say so .

I simply don’t understand why this is an issue that people say “what about the girls in Rotherham ?” When people are talking about racism . The system failed abused children so what nobody gets a fair crack now ? Lots of kids got let down and trust me mate , trust me it wasn’t just Asian grooming gangs who abused white working class kids I can absolutely guarantee you that . That’s something I’m 100% certain on .

We’ve got these grooming gangs you referenced , we’ve got those involved in the care system and we’ve got the church and there are others . Now I’d suggest in this city we’ve got those involved in drugs regularly abusing young girls , of age and children by using the supply of drugs . You know it and I know it . One of those groups listed you can claim involved race and the rest don’t but all of them have been involved in the abuse of children.

 

[Hickson9]

It is sad to see the far right style rhetoric in here, an Everton forum, when people protesting simply want racial equality for BAME people.

 

[Charro]

Why don't people have marches and protests when young girls are abused in Bradford and Rochdale?

They do.

 

[spectateur]

horse thing is a bit outdated, innit?

No. They're better at crowd control than teargas and armoured cars.

 

[Papa Shango]

My opinion on the grooming gangs was that the victims were working class, vulnerable white girls who were targetted by gangs of asian men on the basis that they were seen as "easy meat".

I try not to make things like that political but the reality is that those girls were the victims of racism and were also let down by the authorities - the same authorities who have also let down ethnic minority victims in this country.

The difference is though the left only highlight the abuse of the minorities and not white folk and the right only highlight the abuse of white folk and not the minorities.

Neither spectrum is fit for purpose on the issue of racism as both have inherit bias based on their political leanings.

The only way racism will be solved is with a proper centrist party imo and sadly one does not exist in the UK at present.

That is not racism at all.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Yes thats probably fair. I have seen many horses ride at that speed on protests though. I mean from the video the crowd it was surging into looked relatively peaceful, so not sure why they were even using horses? It's an unfortunate accident and obviously I hope both the officer is ok, and that the horse wasn't hit with any objects. I also think police have to think carefully about charging horses into protesters who for the most part are peaceful.

Mate. I think it's fair to say that you are one of the cleverer and more intelligent posters on here. You can see the amount of effort and research that has gone into some of your posts. Which makes it all the more surprising to see you now make a conclusion on such a highly debateable subject, on the strength of a video just a few seconds long.

 

[Barnfred 55]

There's no doubt projectiles were thrown at police officers, which is not only wrong but counter productive. I think we've got a lot of angry people currently, not least after the Cummings affair, and some seem to think rules don't apply. Is it clear that the horse the officer was riding was hit?

Does the horse need to have been hit? Yes they are well trained but they are still animals and therefore susceptible to behave erratically if people are throwing flares and other missiles in their vicinity. It may have been inexperienced and only recently out of training.

To answer a previous question of yours, horses are the primary source of crowd control for British police forces. They've been at every professional football match I've ever attended. And from what I understand these were helping guard the Prime Ministers office at Downing Street. I'd have been amazed if police horses weren't on duty in London yesterday, and I'm equally amazed that somebody of your intelligence is even posing the question why they were there.

And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather see police horses used in crowd control than armoured trucks, CS gas and water cannon.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

No. They're better at crowd control than teargas and armoured cars.

but it is absolutely torturous for poor animals, where are animal rights advocates when you need them..

 

[Barnfred 55]

Why don't people have marches and protests when young girls are abused in Bradford and Rochdale?

They do, but the problem is the ones that do it are generally racists themselves and are doing it because the perpetrators are Asian, rather than out of any sense of justice for the victims. If it was the latter, the same people would be turning up at white sex offenders court cases and they don't.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Absolute inflammatory nonsense. This is why people don’t take this kind of thing as seriously as they should.

If you don’t see white privilege as being real you’re either blind or ignorant.

 

[PDAWG]

Can someone give me examples of systemic racism within the UK

 

[Barnfred 55]

but it is absolutely torturous for poor animals, where are animal rights advocates when you need them..

Those animals are looked after better than human police officers are mare. Same with the dogs.

The only reason those horses are at any risk is due to the likes of the scum who attacked them last night. They're the ones you should be pointing the finger at.