Current Affairs London Protests

Status
Not open for further replies.
I'm not sure that's the case mate.

Do Kick It Out want to defund/abolish the police? Or dismantle capitalism? I'm not sure. They don't say they do, anyway.

Black lives matter being on the back of the shirts is literally just because of the message.

As the Premier League Chief Executive, Richard Masters, said:

I would see them as ethically-based values statements.

We have been talking to the players about how they wanted to respond to the two big issues – Covid, the global pandemic, and the out-pouring of response to events in America.

They made it clear how they wanted to respond and we were happy to support that and the clubs are.

They made it clear how they wanted to respond and we were happy to support that and the clubs are.

So we are comfortable about listening to the players when they express opinions they feel strongly about and I don’t think they are overtly political. The messages we are trying to put out are unifying messages.
 
Black lives matter being on the back of the shirts is literally just because of the message.

As the Premier League Chief Executive, Richard Masters, said:

I would see them as ethically-based values statements.

We have been talking to the players about how they wanted to respond to the two big issues – Covid, the global pandemic, and the out-pouring of response to events in America.

They made it clear how they wanted to respond and we were happy to support that and the clubs are.

They made it clear how they wanted to respond and we were happy to support that and the clubs are.

So we are comfortable about listening to the players when they express opinions they feel strongly about and I don’t think they are overtly political. The messages we are trying to put out are unifying messages.

It's an endorsement of the movement - a movement with a set of aims and objectives. Take a moment to go and read them, and compare them with Kick it out. You might be surprised.

I shared an article earlier on the Premier League's "political dilemma" that I thought was interesting - here.
 
It is really difficult to get people to actually say on here what their issues are with black lives matter in the UK.
Its always about what is not said. Comes down to innate response some paranoid role reversal. Of course it's not the case...
Jane Elliot established this in 60s with the blue eyes brown eyes experiment.
Basically those who have actually experienced discriminatory authority tend to be more sympathetic with others who are experiencing discrimination. Whether people on forum can actually be honest, I sincerely doubt it.
 
It's an endorsement of the movement - a movement with a set of aims and objectives. Take a moment to go and read them, and compare them with Kick it out. You might be surprised.

I shared an article earlier on the Premier League's "political dilemma" that I thought was interesting - here.

But it isn't an endorsement of taking down capitalism etc.

I've literally just quoted the Prem Chief Exec saying they are value statements and not overtly political. That is all it is.
 
I support the message but the PL shouldn't be endorsing any political movement imo.

Alot of BLM supporters in the UK dont realise the big differences in society that the UK / USA has therefore the BLM movement in the USA has political aims that are not applicable to the UK - hence why I think alot in this country have jumped on the bandwagon without realising what the actual movement fully encompasses.

The majority supports the message - just not the movement itself.
 
I support the message but the PL shouldn't be endorsing any political movement imo.

Alot of BLM supporters in the UK dont realise the big differences in society that the UK / USA has therefore the BLM movement in the USA has political aims that are not applicable to the UK - hence why I think alot in this country have jumped on the bandwagon without realising what the actual movement fully encompasses.

The majority supports the message - just not the movement itself.

I don't think that is credible to be honest.

Who doesn't know police brutality and police killings are significantly worse in the US?
 
Some in the movement do;


Core to their objectives are to dismantle/defund police anyway. Check their website/homepage.

I don't think they want to have no police force though, I think they want to build a new force to replace it (perhaps a but like the RUC/PLNI that occurred in Northern Ireland). In Northern Ireland it was deemed the RUC was structurally bias against Catholics and ultimately irredeemably so. While I don't know enough about specific states, it wouldn't really surprise me if Black people felt that certain forces were irredeemably able to be reformed, and new organisations had to be created.
 
The stats speak for themselves. There are different issues in the US to what we have here.

That doesn't mean there aren't issues in the UK that we need to make progress on.

I don't think the rabbit hole goes any further than that.

There`s serving police officers on here mate, that will tell you that things have gone completely the other way.
 
I support the message but the PL shouldn't be endorsing any political movement imo.

Alot of BLM supporters in the UK dont realise the big differences in society that the UK / USA has therefore the BLM movement in the USA has political aims that are not applicable to the UK - hence why I think alot in this country have jumped on the bandwagon without realising what the actual movement fully encompasses.

The majority supports the message - just not the movement itself.

I think there are probably 3 different elements actually.
1) The broad message (which I agree everyone agrees with).
2) The core organisation, who for he most part do none violent community activism
3) The big protests that are obviously undertaken in their name.

I am not going to even reduce point 3 to some of the wanton violence we saw, but even the mass peaceful protesters. While they do have protests, from my understanding of BLM activists are quite wary of that sort of mass protest. They want to help black people, on the ground with fairly "bread and butter" issues.

As for the PL, I suspect they would say they are agreeing with the first point. They are agreeing with the slogan. As you say the slogan, the organisation and then the manifestation are separate things.

One thing that gets my goat re the PL, as mentioned the other day, is that they will in the abstract support these protests but in a concrete sense will not take actions to support black footballers. I mean have they mandated Liverpool to publicly apologise for what happened to Patrice Evra and considered a points deduction penalty? Have they addressed the legitimate questions raised by Troy Deeney, where the answer to them was they had given the questions no thought whatsoever.

I'm not black, but that would really irritate me if I were. It would seem like an organisation that was looking to jump on the bandwagon somewhat about broad questions but doing precious little about things they have within their control. I mean we can point out other people and organisations that do things wrong, but it rings hollow when you don't take meaningful action in your own organisation.

He can be a bit hit and miss, but I actually thought John Barnes spoke very well about this the other day on the news. He was quite dismissive of the actions clubs faced, and rightly pointed out 95% of black people don't want to be a footballer or are not bothered about it. Is there enough being done to tackle knife crime, not going to school etc etc. I mean taking the knee is fine but I do think we need meaningful rather than emblematic action.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top