Current Affairs London Protests

[Hickson9]

There`s serving police officers on here mate, that will tell you that things have gone completely the other way.

I'm sorry mate, I don't know what you mean?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

and neither is BLM

On a scale of validity BLM has more credence than one voice. Its even been acknowledge by Johnson by the way of yet another review no doubt to add more recommendations to the 200 or so that have identified by the previous 8 reviews into institutional rascism. How much learnings does a government need should be the question.

 

[Hickson9]

I think there are probably 3 different elements actually.
1) The broad message (which I agree everyone agrees with).
2) The core organisation, who for he most part do none violent community activism
3) The big protests that are obviously undertaken in their name.

I am not going to even reduce point 3 to some of the wanton violence we saw, but even the mass peaceful protesters. While they do have protests, from my understanding of BLM activists are quite wary of that sort of mass protest. They want to help black people, on the ground with fairly "bread and butter" issues.

As for the PL, I suspect they would say they are agreeing with the first point. They are agreeing with the slogan. As you say the slogan, the organisation and then the manifestation are separate things.

One thing that gets my goat re the PL, as mentioned the other day, is that they will in the abstract support these protests but in a concrete sense will not take actions to support black footballers. I mean have they mandated Liverpool to publicly apologise for what happened to Patrice Evra and considered a points deduction penalty? Have they addressed the legitimate questions raised by Troy Deeney, where the answer to them was they had given the questions no thought whatsoever.

I'm not black, but that would really irritate me if I were. It would seem like an organisation that was looking to jump on the bandwagon somewhat about broad questions but doing precious little about things they have within their control. I mean we can point out other people and organisations that do things wrong, but it rings hollow when you don't take meaningful action in your own organisation.

He can be a bit hit and miss, but I actually thought John Barnes spoke very well about this the other day on the news. He was quite dismissive of the actions clubs faced, and rightly pointed out 95% of black people don't want to be a footballer or are not bothered about it. Is there enough being done to tackle knife crime, not going to school etc etc. I mean taking the knee is fine but I do think we need meaningful rather than emblematic action.

I definitely agree with the actions point.

That is why the Government proposing just another review is disappointing, as there are credible policy choices that can be implemented now from previous reviews.

A further review is definitely welcome, but not without action also happening now.

 

[COYBL25]

I'm sorry mate, I don't know what you mean?

The various Police forces used to answer to an autonomous Chief Constable, who decided force policy.

The Chief Constables now, answer to the whichever Government is in power and THEY decide force policy.

The Police have become so hamstrung by political correctness, that they`ve become fearful of doing their jobs properly.

You are aware that the Police operate a " positive discrimination " policy when it comes to promotion ?

They use different terminology, but it amounts to the same thing.

 

[catcherintherye]

I definitely agree with the actions point.

That is why the Government proposing just another review is disappointing, as there are credible policy choices that can be implemented now from previous reviews.

A further review is definitely welcome, but not without action also happening now.

What we end up with is a series of abstract actions as well. We end up debating Fawlty Towers, or Little Britain or whatever which, I'm sure for 99% of black people are not even a grievance never mind high up on their list of grievances. There are concrete challenges facing black people today, and I do think these should be prioritised over a lot of the stuff being suggested.

I mean if football cubs really care about BLM, rather than greedily scooping off ever increasing shares of the wealth within football, why don't they start ringfencing some TV money that can be spent on youth projects in working class areas? This will not just help black kids, but all children living in poverty, but we know black children are disproportionately affected by it. You could even state that there is ring fenced money for young black people to train as coaches to then go and deliver the training. It's actions like this, that begin to break down racism. You also start developing a pathway for young black coaches to start to get on the coaching ladder. You could do the same with refs, officials etc.

 

[tsubaki]

The various Police forces used to answer to an autonomous Chief Constable, who decided force policy.

The Chief Constables now, answer to the whichever Government is in power and THEY decide force policy.

The Police have become so hamstrung by political correctness, that they`ve become fearful of doing their jobs properly.

You are aware that the Police operate a " positive discrimination " policy when it comes to promotion ?

They use different terminology, but it amounts to the same thing.

This is 100% wrong btw

 

[COYBL25]

This is 100% wrong btw

Worth a try though.

 

[COYBL25]

What we end up with is a series of abstract actions as well. We end up debating Fawlty Towers, or Little Britain or whatever which, I'm sure for 99% of black people are not even a grievance never mind high up on their list of grievances. There are concrete challenges facing black people today, and I do think these should be prioritised over a lot of the stuff being suggested.

I mean if football cubs really care about BLM, rather than greedily scooping off ever increasing shares of the wealth within football, why don't they start ringfencing some TV money that can be spent on youth projects in working class areas? This will not just help black kids, but all children living in poverty, but we know black children are disproportionately affected by it. You could even state that there is ring fenced money for young black people to train as coaches to then go and deliver the training. It's actions like this, that begin to break down racism. You also start developing a pathway for young black coaches to start to get on the coaching ladder. You could do the same with refs, officials etc.

They could start by ring fencing money for grass routes footy too, rather than having kids with no changing rooms, no bogs and no washing facilities.

 

[tsubaki]

Worth a try though.

It’s certainly what people have been told, but since the advent of Police and Crime Commissioners policy has mainly been in their hands. The Home Office still interferes but much less so than previously.

As for positive discrimination, it does not happen in promotion at all and doesn’t in selection either, though whoppers read something like “this unit is currently underrepresented in terms of women and minority ethnic staff” and think that it does.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

I found the below article of interest, and the bottom paragraph in particular.

Make no mistake – BLM is a radical neo-Marxist political movement

The rapid spread of protests across the West under the Black Lives Matter banner has left a political breathlessness from Baltimore to Berlin.

www.telegraph.co.uk

That is an interesting article, although I would like to see the journalist's evidence for the funding quoted; "BLM had already received over $100 million from the Open Society Foundations, Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy among others"

 

[catcherintherye]

They could start by ring fencing money for grass routes footy too, rather than having kids with no changing rooms, no bogs and no washing facilities.

Yes I agree with you. This is the thing, it's very easy to sit and point fingers at others, but making some concrete changes themselves is a lot harder.

 

[peteblue]

Nothing like a bunch of country squires, public school boys and bankers singing an old slave song is there?

You don’t go to the Rugby do you.......

 

[Hickson9]

What we end up with is a series of abstract actions as well. We end up debating Fawlty Towers, or Little Britain or whatever which, I'm sure for 99% of black people are not even a grievance never mind high up on their list of grievances. There are concrete challenges facing black people today, and I do think these should be prioritised over a lot of the stuff being suggested.

I mean if football cubs really care about BLM, rather than greedily scooping off ever increasing shares of the wealth within football, why don't they start ringfencing some TV money that can be spent on youth projects in working class areas? This will not just help black kids, but all children living in poverty, but we know black children are disproportionately affected by it. You could even state that there is ring fenced money for young black people to train as coaches to then go and deliver the training. It's actions like this, that begin to break down racism. You also start developing a pathway for young black coaches to start to get on the coaching ladder. You could do the same with refs, officials etc.

We have a great charity, but I would happily see the club itself make even more direct contributions in this space.

 

[Hickson9]

They could start by ring fencing money for grass routes footy too, rather than having kids with no changing rooms, no bogs and no washing facilities.

Agreed. I don't actually know what Everton does to support grass routes football on Merseyside.

 

[COYBL25]

Nothing like a bunch of country squires, public school boys and bankers singing an old slave song is there?

My lad plays rugby, how very dare you